Friday, October 22, 2010

Is Self the law? Why?

Pang William
The biggest problem with man (include the church too) is "SELF". Self produces pride, lust, envy, anger, selfishness, uncontentious and more... Self is the law started in the very beginning... thou shalt not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Since Adam's fall, every man is born with self and thus self conscious! Continue below...
October 22 at 5:07am · · ·
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    • Pang William
      What is Self and how do we deal with it? Knowing this the Bible always reveal to us the shadow and the Truth.

      Self is consciousness by the knowledge of good and evil, right or wrong from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which is the law. Which is the shadow of the tree of Life which is Christ. Likewise the ten commandments law is also the shadow Christ.

      The law is holy and just and good (Rom 7:12) because the law is the shadow of Christ. And the law was and is never meant for men to handle but Christ only. If we say we can keep the law, we are saying we are as good as Christ. That means Christ came in vain because we don't need Him. But that is absolutely not true. Because of the pride of man (Self) God gave the big ten and for 1500 years and no man has ever succeeded.

      If we can't keep the law, we can't live with Self! The only way we can deal with Self is to be in Christ! Only Christ can deal with your Self. Don't even try! Let go and let Christ! Amen!
      October 22 at 5:08am · · 9 people
    • Judi Ayers Piburn Amen, Pang! THANK YOU FATHER FOR THIS POWERFUL WORD TO SET US AT LIBERTY IN YOUR LOVE FOR US!

      Christ Consciousness........IS THE ROCK OF OUR SALVATION!
      October 22 at 5:12am · · 3 people
    • Sheila Lea Vogel That is why Jesus said to deny your "self". Don't try to do things yourself. Let Him live through you as He does things perfectly and effortlessly. This is the only way of righteousness or righteous living.
      October 22 at 5:21am · · 6 people
    • Monique Brown Amen!!!
      October 22 at 5:31am · · 2 people
    • Angie Marcum-Wharton I know it's MY biggest problem. I can't speak for everyone else.
      October 22 at 5:45am · · 2 people
    • Sue Lowery-Stacks SELF...satan thought he was above God that is why satan was kicked out of heaven because he was into SELF...
      October 22 at 6:46am · · 3 people
    • Carol L Robinson I was talking to the Lord this morning about the aspect of self.....the old man when hetries to raise his head from his buriel spot and begins to rant is just sickening, isn't he? Like you say, pride, etc.......phew!!
      October 22 at 7:49am · · 3 people
    • Fred Dunakin
      ‎4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
      5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
      6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
      7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
      8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
      9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
      10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
      11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
      12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
      13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
      14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
      15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
      16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
      17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
      18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

      Romans 6:4-18 (KJV)
      October 22 at 12:39pm · · 2 people
    • Carol L Robinson That's true Fred, but the old man sometimes unfortunately tries to lift up his dead head and rise again.
      October 22 at 12:52pm · · 2 people
    • Pang William Carol you're so right! The old man was dead yet he sticks around. Among all I notice pride is still the strongest issue in many...
      October 22 at 1:30pm · · 1 person
    • Cheryl Mudaly that is powerful
      October 22 at 1:33pm · · 2 people
    • Terry Hunter Self, selfishness, the focus on I always creates problems. It is so evident in many people's lives........or call it pride.
      October 22 at 1:55pm · · 2 people
    • Pang William
      Do you know that the primary objective for a Buddhist is to eliminate Self? Self is existence. Without Self is none existence. There is no God but one can attain if one reached the selfless state (sinless) but none succeeded include Buddha himself. They said he did, but i say no because he died like all men. And if he did, he won't have said the following...

      Before Buddha died... he called all his disciples, to get ride of all his teachings for he saw a vision... If he were to reincarnate 10,000 times still cannot attain that selfless state. What more to say his disciples? He said wait for a Holy One to come and He shall save the world. And they asked him how could they know that it is He who come? Buddha replied, on His hands and feet marked the prints of salvation! Shalom!
      October 22 at 2:07pm · · 1 person
    • Sandy Crosby Ive been thinking Pang, about lust was in Adam, but until god said THOU SHALT NOT eat ...it was not exposed. The Law arouses lust and sin, For I know that in me, that is in my flesh dwells no good thing"-Rom.7:?
      October 22 at 5:22pm · · 1 person
    • Pang William Yes Sandy... Rom 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
      October 22 at 7:47pm ·
    • Chris O
      Questions:
      1. Regarding the decalogue (10 commandments), why have you separated them and refer to these exclusive "ten commandments" as being the "law of God", when He Himself calls His law (the book of law that is the holy God-breathed Scriptures) "all that I have commanded you"?

      2. When Christ Jesus said this:
      Matthew 5:17 -- Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
      what did He mean and how do His words here apply to our perspective of the law of God?

      3.You said "And the law was and is never meant for men to handle but Christ only". Can you provide Scriptural justification for this claim you have made please?
      October 23 at 1:37am ·
    • Pang William O Chris... thank you for your questions but it isn't me to answer but Christ only. If you don't see my points, the more I give you, you also won't see! If you really want to know the answers... Ask Him!
      October 23 at 3:58am ·
    • Chris O
      ‎1Peter 3:15 -- But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

      You said a lot of things that did not line up with the Scriptures and I made those inquiries to provide you ample opportunity to clarify in the light of the Scriptures.

      For example:
      You separated the ten commandments (decalogue) out in an exclusive way, as though these are the "law of God", but when we read (which I do hope is a habitual thing) what is said in Deuteronomy 5:22, maybe people assume that the Lord was done. But do please read in Deuteronomy 6:1 and realize that He had only begun to begin to give His holy commandments and statutes and judgments that we may be taught by them and observe to do them.
      This is the sort of thing which people do when they take the word spoken in Galatians 5:14 and attribute full obedience to the will of God to be found in such verses, when in truth, there is a whole gamut of commandments which grace demands, as we see in all of Christ's teachings on the mount.

      But since you do not see any need to explain or answer my humble inquiries above, it is alright.
      Thank you dear Pang.
      October 23 at 4:11am ·
    • Sandy Crosby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFqirjhZ530
      October 23 at 12:38pm · · 1 person
    • Susan Phillips Prince Amen... freedom from self... trusting in the One who has set us free from the anguish and guilt of always falling short in our own abilities but has given us victory and freedom to know who we are in Him.. JESUS AND THE POWER OF THE CROSS !!
      October 24 at 10:34pm · · 2 people
    • Curtis Allen Farmer
      Jesus ended the relevance of the "law" to apply to us and removed any need to have any "relationship" with it - for us who believe in and accept Grace. He did that by fulfilling the righteous requirements of the law for us. (Matthew 5:17-18) Here Jesus was speaking to people who were still under the Law.

      Yes He fulfilled and ended the law (for us who believe) by fulfilling the righteousness requirements of it. ( Romans 8:1-4 & 7:1-4) Grace is thoroughly explained in Ephesians 2:1-10 (See Amplified Version for more clarifiacation).

      If you want the "job done right you have to do it yourself". That is what God had to do. He came in the form of a human and did for people what they could not do for themselves. Continued...
      October 29 at 3:09am · · 1 person
    • Curtis Allen Farmer
      God also did for Himself (as a human in the body of Jesus) what WE could not do for Him. Yes God needed and still needs something from us. It was what He originally had in mind when He created man. Adam became "separated from God IN HIS MIND". But by believing in Jesus' life, death, burial, resurrection, ascension and His heavenly intercession for us - then we IN EFFECT are reconciled "back" to God.

      We provide God what HE wants. Bodies to inhabit. So He can accomplish what He intended when He thought up mankind and earth. (Ephesians 1:1-23; 2:1-10 & 3:10-21 Amplified) Time and space limit my reference to more scriptures and explanation of them to support this idea. But those who are familiar enough with the Word will recognize that what I am saying is based on scripture. Otherwise I will be glad to elaborate more. Peace.
      October 29 at 3:21am · · 1 person
    • Susan Phillips Prince
      We are saved by Grace and not works." This statement is prompted by Paul's words: "Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:9). The usual interpretation of this verse is that we are saved by Grace, apart from works. Some believe that this verse means that we cannot do any work to obtain the benefits of Grace. This is true if we are talking about man's works apart from God's word. Man has done nothing by or through himself to obtain salvation. That is why we are dependent upon the Grace of God for our salvation.

      What did Paul have in mind by the word "works?" Did he have in mind the actions we must perform through obedience to the Gospel, or did he have in mind the works associated with the Law of Moses? The answer to this question will resolve the difficulty of understanding this verse.

      This verse does not refer to the actions or works we do when obeying the commands of God. There are certain works necessary to be pleasing before God. Once, Christ was asked a question regarding this type of work. "Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (John 6:28-29). This text teaches that belief in God is a work that is necessary for one's salvation. Not all works, then, were included by Paul's statement.

      The works that Paul had in mind were the works under the Old Testament Law. All scholars are in agreement with this interpretation. The context of this verse supports this understanding. No one could be justified under the works of the Old Law, or the Law of Moses. If any were to be saved by the Grace of God, it could not be by that system of religion. That Law could not justify anyone. That law led to a system of boasting, which was contrary to that of Grace. The following three verses prove this point.

      Rom. 3:20 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

      Rom. 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

      Gal. 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

      This does not mean that the Old Testament Law was useless. It had its place in the scheme of man's redemption. It was the schoolmaster for Israel to bring them to Christ (cf. Gal. 3:24). Yet, this Law of works could not justify anyone. When Christ died upon the cross, He took away the binding force of that Law of works (cf. Col. 2:24). It had to be removed so that we could come under the Grace that is through Christ (cf. Rom. 7:1-4). The context of Eph. 2:1-9 refers to this freedom we now have in Christ. Those who seek to be justified before God by that Old Law cannot find justification. Grace does not come through that Law.

      We cannot be justified by our own works or those of the Law. Our justification comes through the Grace of God. When we obey the gospel, we are only doing what God commands. This is a work that is acceptable by God.
      Graciousness should be the characteristic of the Christian's speech. This is Paul's admonition: "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." (Eph. 4:29). Our speech should not be harsh. It should be able to edify others. In Col. 4:6, we find a further admonition about our speech: "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." Besides the manner of our speech, Paul now adds that we have it seasoned with experience. In such a manner we shall know how we should answer every man. May the blessings of our Lord be on all my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus !
      October 29 at 3:43am · · 2 people
    • Pang William
      Thanks Curtis, I praise Daddy for you! In Christ, we are made complete as sons! Even more than Adam!

      Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

      He is the Conqueror but we are made more than conquerors in Him! Rom 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
      October 29 at 3:44am · · 1 person
    • Curtis Allen Farmer Wow! Susan you "hit a home run" with this last comment. Thanks!
      October 29 at 3:50am · · 2 people
    • Susan Phillips Prince Discussions are a great learning tool... and we should all welcome the opportunity to talk about our Lord... He loves it when we talk about Him and learn from one another...and see another's point of view... it causes us to study and pray and to seek truth..!!
      October 29 at 3:51am · · 2 people
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