Sunday, November 14, 2010

Is suicide unpardonable?

‎1Co 3:17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. ... How many of you heard this verse being interpreted... saying that suicide is unpardonable? Smoking and drinking is a sin because it causes harm to your body?
Friday at 6:33pm · · ·
    • Ronel Bosman Heard it many times before and understood that anything that bring harm to body should be avoided - also over eating?
      Friday at 6:38pm · · 1 person
    • Pang William Do you agree to such interpretation?
      Friday at 7:29pm ·
    • Ronel Bosman I agree that our bodies are temples of God and we should take care of it as best as we can - that includes indulging, smoking, drinking andanything else that can harm the body! Do you agree?
      Friday at 7:53pm · · 1 person
    • Sandy Crosby whats the context say Pang?
      ..its talking about sin isnt it, not to take the body of Christ and join Him to a harlot.
      Friday at 7:55pm ·
    • Sandy Crosby its talking about destroyin the body, that the spirit ay be saved in the day of Christ
      Friday at 8:07pm ·
    • Jane Mundy Prove it with a verse!!!
      Friday at 8:09pm · · 1 person
    • Pang William
      Please don't get me wrong... I'm not for suicide and definitely not giving anyone Scripture to commit suicide or to defile the temples of God.

      Ronel, I certainly agree with you that our bodies are the temples of God and we should take care of it as best as we can. But my question is... is the interpretation correct?

      My answer is... the interpretation is wrong. Let us read in context.
      Friday at 8:12pm · · 2 people
    • Pang William
      Let us start from... 1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but [ministers] through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to [each one]? 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither [he] who plants is anything, nor [he] who waters, but God who gives the increase.

      Take note of the [ ] from here on... Who is Paul, who is Apollos? Answer: Ministers! In verse 7... who is [he] who plants or waters? Answer: Ministers!
      Friday at 8:19pm · · 1 person
    • Pang William
      ‎1Co 3:8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and [each one] will receive his own reward according to his own labor. 9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building.

      Who is [each one]? Answer: Minister.

      1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and [another] builds on it. But let [each one] take heed how he builds on it.

      Who is [another]? Answer: Minister.
      Who is [each one]? Answer: Minister.
      Friday at 8:24pm · · 1 person
    • Pang William
      ‎1Co 3:11 For no other foundation can [anyone] lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if [anyone] builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 [each one's] work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test [each one's] work, of what sort it is.

      Who is [anyone]? Answer: Minister.
      Who is [each one's]? Answer: Minister.
      Friday at 8:27pm · · 1 person
    • Pang William ‎1Co 3:14 If [anyone's] work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If [anyone's] work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

      Who is [anyone]? Answer: Minister.
      Friday at 8:29pm · · 1 person
    • Pang William ‎1Co 3:16 Do [you] not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

      Who is [you]? Answer: You... the believer.
      Friday at 8:32pm · · 1 person
    • Pang William
      Now this is the verse... 1Co 3:17 If [anyone] defiles the temple of God, God will destroy [him]. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

      Who is [anyone]? Answer: Minister
      Who is [him]? Answer: Minister

      In context it should be written... If the minister defiles the temple of God, God will destroy the minister! Not you! Do you get it now?
      Friday at 8:36pm · · 2 people
    • Roy Smith very good Pang, very good
      Friday at 8:40pm · · 2 people
    • Pang William Thanks Roy, actually I learnt from Pastor Joshua Lee of NCC :O)
      Friday at 8:42pm · · 1 person
    • Pang William
      One more important point of these passages...

      1Co 3:11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with [gold, silver, precious stones], [wood, hay, straw], 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.

      We know the foundation is Jesus Christ, but how do know whose work will stand the fire and whose will not? The answer is in [gold, silver, precious stones] or [wood, hay, straw]... God righteousness or Self righteousness, Christ finished works or our laboring works!
      Friday at 9:14pm · · 6 people
    • Joy Aj Wow Pang. Never have I heard such wisdom. Thank you very much for sharing for my understanding has been enlightened and from now on I'll read my Bible with a different understanding. Very well appreciated, again thank you
      Friday at 9:27pm · · 2 people
    • Pang William Thanks Joy... all I know is He is filling my hunger for Him everyday. As I seek, I found! I asked, I received! He is all faithful! All glory to Daddy! Hallelujah!!
      Friday at 10:07pm · · 3 people
    • Debbie Fowler I've never heard that interpretation before. I had previously thought it was addressing each believer and his spiritual work here on earth. Because we are all ministers (servants) of the Gospel. We all have the ministry of reconciliation. And, if we, as individuals, build with wood, hay or stubble, it will be burned up...... but not us. Thanks for sharing this Pang. I'm going to re-read the scriptures!
      Friday at 11:19pm · · 2 people
    • Pang William Thanks Debbie, actually you are right... we are all ministers (the ambassadors of Christ). However in this context in 1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers... It has differentiated the person who builds on the foundation as minister and the hearers as the church (the body of Christ, the temple of God). Therefore it is clear that 1Co 3:17 is talking about the ministers teaching to the church.
      Yesterday at 2:26pm ·
    • Sandy Crosby
      ‎@Jane Mundy..1Cor.6:19-"What know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"
      20: "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God IN YOUR BODY, and in your spirit, which are God's."
      NB. verse:18 -"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man dose is without the body; but he that COMMITS FORNICATION [sexual promiscuity, sleepin around]
      Thats why verse 12 says: "all things are lawful", yet, when it comes to our bodies, we are not to sin against our "own body"-v:18, by joining them to harlots as V:15 saysGod forbid! V:16, & 17 gives the reason-
      "What? Know ye not that he that is joined to an harlot is ONE body? For TWO says He shall be ONE FLESH.
      Sex is joining as ONE FLESH, and our bodies are Christ, so if we defile them, they will be destroyed "That the spirit may be saved in the day of Christ". v:5 of -(chapter 5:1-5) & 3:16,17.
      So you see...it has nothing to do with what goes into a man that defiles a man...smoking, drinking or health foods etc.
      Its the whole context of 4 or 5 chapters that we understand sometimes.
      This is also confirmed by another scripture thats says we cannot commit fornication, naming it amongst a few "NESSESSARY THINGS"-
      Acts 15:19,20
      Yesterday at 4:49pm · · 1 person
    • Sandy Crosby correction-...
      I did'nt finish the verse off:18 " ...sins against his own body".
      18 hours ago ·

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