This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!: December 2010

Barry Hansen

If we claim to have faith, but righteous works don't flow, than what kind of faith do we have. We do NOT work to prove our faith, but True Faith must produce Righteous works. Just like a Apple Tree must produce Apples. If that Tree never produces a apple what good is it? BELIEVE IN THE TRUE MESSAGE, and you will DO greater things!!!! SHALOM

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- Alejandro Grace Ararat do not get obsesed with works for all works here are defile. Do not give works the due respect as the way but His finished Work ALONE.
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- Barry Hansen The evidence of that finished work will manifest itself in the lives of True Believers in the form of Righteous Works. Works are not evil, the law was not evil either, the Law showed the Righteousness of God, but recognizing the order in which God's will is for our lives. Works do NOT produce Righteousness, neither did the Law produce Righteousness, BUT Faith in Christ produced Righteousness in us, That Righteousness produces Righteous Works, Those Righteous works should continue the Work of building up the Kingdom here on Earth.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat I would never speak of works as the way or imply it in any posting for there is no life in works nor never will be. Well said Barry.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat I only agree with this: Works do NOT produce Righteousness, neither did the Law produce Righteousness, BUT Faith in Christ produced Righteousness in us, That Righteousness produces fruit as HE leads not as the worl accolades. Those Righteous fruits build up the Kingdom here on Earth.
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- Barry Hansen
  Everything under the Sun was given for a purpose, when God rested He pronounced that the work He had done was Good. The purpose for everything created was to give God the Glory. The Law was given to Show the Greatest of God, a standard that no man could achieve, so is the Law bad? NO, not at all, but for man the Law is like poison, it kills. Works are good, for every good work produces a profit, but our works are filthy rags to God, so God working through us is Good, Self Righteous works lead to death. So in everything, God created it for Good, but it is how we use it, either God's way which is Good, or our way which is usually bad. Shalom
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat He Rested as I RESTED in His GIft of Grace through Faith not my works or work-righteousness. My Righteousness is as filthy rags [tainted menstrual towels] Isa 64:6 Literally that is the the correct translation
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- Bryant W. Shultz Righteousness or right standing is a gift because of the finished work of Jesus. There is nothing more or less that we as believers can do to produce what Jesus has already done. The first fruit of the spirit is Love. Rest in God and everything else comes effortlessly. Fulfilling the great commission should be this way not considered work. It is Christ in us that produces the fruit... love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance, against such there is no law. Galatians 5:21-23
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- Barry Hansen That excellent, NOW What, do we stand around waiting for Jesus's return or do we go into all the World and make disciples
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- Barry Hansen Matt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat REST In His Finished Word no matter what. WE are not call to be achievers of works but BELIEVERS by His Grace through His Gift of Faith that I am. Well said Bryant.
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- John P. Cwynar The key to all of this is not about faith or about works. If we are looking at either, we are looking at ourselves & comparing ourselves. The key is Grace. If Grace is in action, then there will be true faith, true works, true love, true discipling and it will all focus on Him, for it is His Grace. Good discussion Barry!
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith Rom 3:30. Faith is what God Requires, NOT WORKS even if you call them work of grace in disguise.
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- Byron Mill He provides the faith through hearing, and hearing by the words of Christ
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- Alan St Andrew Resting in His Grace is NOT "inactivity." Jesus was and is our example, FULLY at rest in Father's Grace, and FULLY ACTIVE in the world. Likewise the Apostles, who followed His example. And Jesus is FULLY at rest now, and FULLY ACTIVE in the world, working through His Church.
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- Alan St Andrew Look at David and Goliath, the shadow of Jesus' victory. David slew the giant, and THEN the warriors of Israel, FULLY AT REST IN THE VICTORY HE WON FOR THEM ALL, ran down the host of Philistine, ENFORCING the victory DAVID WON.
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- Alan St Andrew Jesus SENT US, as His Father SENT HIM. We are NOT to be "inactive" in the Rest we've entered. Remember the parable of the wise and foolish men. They BOTH heard the Word. The difference between the wise and the foolish is that the wise DOES the word that was heard....
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- Alan St Andrew One must make the distinction that Paul and James made of the KINDS of works.... "works of the Law" are the kind of effort to BECOME righteous, and all these are filthy rags and doomed to failure. "Good works" are the EXPRESSION OF THE STATE OF BEING THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST....
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- Alan St Andrew ‎"You will know them by their FRUIT." What you ARE, WILL BE EVIDENT TO THOSE THAT SEE YOU. Let your light shine, that all may give Father glory for the GOOD WORKS He does in and through you.
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- Alan St Andrew You rest FROM trying to BECOME righteous, and you act FROM BEING GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS!
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- John P. Cwynar Created unto good works prepared by God for us to do.
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- Alan St Andrew When you KNOW FOR CERTAIN that you ARE Father's righteousness, your ACTIONS are that of FATHER'S RIGHTEOUSNESS. Scripture doesn't say we HAVE righteousness, it says we ARE HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. Therefore, the actions that we do IN THE UNDERSTANDING OF OUR NEW NATURE ARE TRUE TO THAT NEW NATURE.
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- Alan St Andrew Amen, John! There are "works", and then there are "works!" One word, MANY MEANINGS AND APPLICATIONS. Don't let the confusion of tongues left over from Babel confuse you. We are NOT INACTIVE.
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- Bryant W. Shultz Alan I like what you are saying but are you upset or just proving a point using capital letters?
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- John P. Cwynar I believe that is a CAPITOL OFFENSE!:)
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- Alan St Andrew Oh my goodness! There is no other way to bring emphasis in the text editor in FB, so I use SELECTIVE CAPS. It is not "yelling," as in the common understanding of the use of caps. Simply emphasis.
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- Alan St Andrew ARF! JOHN! You're so PUNNY! LOL!
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat I agree with Alan it is not a doing of mine, HE DID IT ALL.
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- Alan St Andrew Watch the wording in Scripture, Alejandro. Remember, we are ONE SPIRIT with Father, and we "work together." A good image is that of a child steering the car, while the parent (or GRANDPARENT!) actually controls the wheel. The child applies steering input, and the adult modifies that input in appropriate ways. The child feels like they did it, and the adult "goes along with" that! Not a perfect picture, but a close enough sketch.
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- Alan St Andrew ‎8 God saved you through faith as an act of kindness. You had nothing to do with it. Being saved is a gift from God. 9 It's not the result of anything you've done, so no one can brag about it. 10 God has made us what we are. He has created us in Christ Jesus to live lives filled with good works that he has prepared for us to do. Ephesians 2:8-10 (GW)
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat Alan, if anyone is at the bring of deaath, and have never heard of JEsus and I speak to that person and ask if he wants to be in heaven, I would ask him That Jesus is God and that HE wants to give to anyone that Gift to whoever. THe person is clearly dying, and He recieves the Gift of Grace and the abundance of Righteousness. Now tell me, he needs works after dead?
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- Bryant W. Shultz I thought so just making sure, I could here you loud and clear and I live on the east coast... good stuff though... I think the problem is once you have heard the Grace message it is a knee jerk reaction when you hear the word "works" the difference is with out God it is work, with God it is EFFORTLESS! Thanks for your input Alan.. and yes I used selective caps as well. :)
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- Bryant W. Shultz
  I like the MWBE version of Ephesians 2:8-10 8 Your salvation was a grace thing from start to finish, you had no hand in it; because it is all God's gift to you, because He believes in you.
  9 If this could be accomplished through any action of yours then there would be ground for boasting, (but you did not even invent faith. It was His faith in you that made you believe in Him.)
  10 We are engineered by His design, He manufactured us in Christ. (Greek, poeima, we are His poem, God finds inspired expression of Christ in us.) We are fully fit to do good. We are equipped to give attractive evidence of His likeness in us in everything we do.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat Exaclty my Point Briant I though Alan had it right but you surprise me with thie translation. Tell me what does MWBE stands for?
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- Alan St Andrew ‎"Fully fit to do good....equipped to give attractive evidence of His likeness in us..." Yep! Dogs bark BECAUSE they are dogs, not to BECOME a dog!
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- Bryant W. Shultz Mirror Word Bible e-Sword www.mirrorword.net
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat according to the bible GOD has provided through the Gift of Faith in me, what GOD DEMANDS OF ME .......apart from works.
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- Alan St Andrew Downloading it now, thanks!
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- Bryant W. Shultz Thanks Barry for the post... thank you everyone else for your input... to make it even sweeter it goes right in line with the message I have this week... Alan I am going to go out on a limb here and say you have an affection for dogs... :)
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- Alan St Andrew Brother, because of what you've become by His action, you will do certain things, and by these things others will know that He made you this new thing. You didn't cease to act in this world when He made you new.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat Bryant is it viewable online or do I need to download something?
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- Alan St Andrew Hmmmm.... was it the barking, or the dogface profile pic? LOL!
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- Alan St Andrew http://www.mirrorword.net/Resources_Teachings/MirrorWordBible - You can view it online, download a PDF, or if you have E-Sword, you can get the module for that program.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat The godly live like their ungodly when trying to be justified by their works! Rom.4 -Richard G
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- Bryant W. Shultz e-sword is free and is a good tool - when it comes to the Mirror Bible the only books so far are John 1, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Colossians, Hebrews, James, 2 Peter 1.
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- Alan St Andrew Not talking about being justified by works. Justified is done, and that without any work. There is still work that is done by the justified.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat The Justified is justified without any work that is the point Alan. I REST in my comin in and out as I live my life in HIS FINISHED WORK.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat There is no life in works and you wanna make it have LIGHT. What has LIGHT IS HIS GIFT.
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- Alan St Andrew My comment stands. We agree on justification. A justified being DOES things, just like any other being in this world.
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- Bryant W. Shultz Again I think the "stump" here is the word "works" I can promise you it will be okay! It is His finished work in you that produces as the Holy Spirit guides and again it is EFFORTLESS! Shalom
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- Alan St Andrew I'm repeating what Scripture says, and the examples of the lives that Jesus and the Apostles lived. And as WE live, that have been justified by His work. Again, REST in His finished work is NOT INACTIVE.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat I disagree with you Alan after all I though Bryant had it wrong but HE understands it well. FAITH is the work required that I needed and was given to me, in me, as a Gift. I am in His hands aparto from any futur work past present or future. Such is His Gospel and in it I stand :)
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat ‎:) good word Briant!
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- Alan St Andrew Agreed Bryant. This is what I pointed out earlier, the word "works" stumbles us. An example of the "work" that is not "works" is when we believe the Good News, we share it AS A REFLEX, just as when someone finds a good movie, they share that find with others.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat I disagree with that analogy ALan, the reflex is defile but the GIFT OF FAITH is the real work required.
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- Alan St Andrew OH SO VERY WRONG, brother! We are called by our Lord to do certain things AS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD. Scripture is QUITE CLEAR on that!
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- Alan St Andrew The Book of James is Scripture, and James points this out even of Abraham. James is NOT speaking of "works of justification." He's speaking of FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT.
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- Alan St Andrew The TANGIBLE RESULT of FAITH.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat and the fruit is not the LIFE REQUIRED either.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat Alan, the thief at the cross had not TANGIBLE woks you are claiming, yet HE is clothed with the robe of righteousness, I want that GIft of FAITH JESUS GAVE THE THIEF, thank GOD It is in me. Thank you Jesus.
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- Byron Mill If we feed on Jesus and His finished work the rest comes naturally. when we rest He does the rest, its not a formula its Jesus who does all things so that He may be glorified, im not there yet- need more revelation to enter His rest.
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- Alan St Andrew The thief at that cross, had he continued to live past the point of becoming the righteousness of God, would have done things! While you yet walk in flesh, you act in this world. This is the expression of your being, and right now, here on FB, you are sharing your faith, which is the ACT OF A RIGHTEOUS BEING.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat You are missing the point alan and bypass what is of GREATER IMPORTANCE. DO you see it ALan?
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- Bryant W. Shultz
  I thought I was going to bed and I am leaving you with this... Romans 11:6 (KJV)
  
  And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 11:6 (MWBE) Grace cannot suggest debt or obligation at the same time; the word grace can only mean what it says. The same argument goes for works, if salvation or any advantage for that matter is to be obtained according to prescribed regulations of conduct, then that’s it, no amount of grace can change the rules! Grace means grace, work means work.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat Yes Bryant. Praise Jesus Grace through Faith. Do not hold to work as proof of being a child of God, ASK GOD TO GIVE YOU THE GIFT OF FAITH AND REST IN HIS FINISHED WORD apart from works.
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- Alan St Andrew
  I'm not missing the point. When a child is told by his mother, "go outside and play!", is it a "have to", or a "get to"? Jesus said do such and such, and the Apostles did. Paul, THE Apostle of Grace, was the MOST ACTIVE of them all! Listen carefully to Jesus - 32 But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you do not know about.” 33 So the disciples said to one another, “Has anyone brought him something to eat?” 34 Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work. 35 Do you not say, ‘There are yet four months, then comes the harvest’? Look, I tell you, lift up your eyes, and see that the fields are white for harvest. 36 Already the one who reaps is receiving wages and gathering fruit for eternal life, so that sower and reaper may rejoice together. 37 For here the saying holds true, ‘One sows and another reaps.’ 38 I sent you to reap that for which you did not labor. Others have labored, and you have entered into their labor.” John 4:32-38 (ESV)
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- Alan St Andrew There is confusion centered around the word "work", and also around the word "REST."
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- Alan St Andrew Barry's post is correct. The Fig Tree that had no figs, what did Jesus do with it?
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- Bryant W. Shultz Last weeks message on my blog might help...http://thegracezone.blogspot.com/2010/12/promised-land.html
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- Alan St Andrew Again, I refer to the Book of James, and let Scripture stand. SHALOM!
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat Read it in context Alan that is the Great problems of most americans. THey have no clue about the Context. It was to show that it is by FAITH.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat I have no confusion regarding works. THere is no life in works. NO LIFE. Now my works are NOT required by God for me to be consider in His Hand. It is The Gift of Faith in me that is the GREAT WORK.
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- John P. Cwynar ‎@ Byron... As someone who has known you for only a short time on FB, I would say that you are further along on this matter of rest than you realize. I have been enjoying your posts.
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- John P. Cwynar ‎(If Alan & Alejandro don't kill eachother, we could all go to bed & rest.)
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- Alan St Andrew R O F L! SHALOM!
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat The Gift of Faith is the Finished work of Jesus Christ, the Work Required by God and who gave himself for me so that now I am the righteousness of God in Christ JEsus by His abundant Grace and Gift of righteousness Rom 5:17. Bryant is right the promise land is HIS FINISHED WORK [HIS REST in me]
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- Alan St Andrew THAT brother, is NOT IN DISPUTE! Which thing I've said in this discussion already.
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- Alan St Andrew Please don't play me like that, brother! You have seen my posts for some time now. I read in context pretty well, as you and many others have seen. You ARE laboring under some confusion about works,AND rest, and you are missing what I'm saying here. And so now I WILL REST. Grace and Peace to you!
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat Alan I want you to know that You are the righteousness of God in CHrist not because of your fruit but because of the Gift of FAITH in you. I much rather you have that because it is from the SPIRIT OF GOD not our own illusion of wishful thinking but the real thing.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat Jesus SHalom and Grace to you Alan.
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- Alan St Andrew Alejandro, I know that already. I will repeat yet once more. That is NOT in dispute. This was NEVER in dispute. As I said, you have COMPLETELY missed what I was saying, by thinking that it was.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat
  Works befor or after is not the SIGN that one is in with GOD. By Grace Trhough FAITH and that not of yourself IT IS A GIFT OF GOD so no one can boast. If my works are part of the FInished work of JEsus, that is His rest, then many are on shaky ground. How will anyone know they have done the works God requires? Justification is ased Finaly not on a gradual basis curing the sinner but on what Christ did on the Cross. THe sinner becomes a Christian, IN CHRIST, when he/she receives JEsus, but through the GIFT OF FAITH by Grace. -martin Luther and I.
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- Alan St Andrew You tell me to "read it in context." I say to you, reconcile James' words on "faith without works is dead" with Paul's words on "works". I'll give you a hint: They're BOTH talking about GRACE!
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat No they are not talking about Grace. One is speaking about works after being saved PAUL IS SPEAKING ABUT THE GIFT OF FAITH BY GRACE APART FROM WORKS.
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- Bryant W. Shultz The fig tree was type and shadow of the religious leaders, Sanhedrin and the covenant "LAW" the ministry of death that can not bear fruit. the old covenant is what it is dead.
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- Alan St Andrew Martin Luther said that the Book of James does not belong in the Bible! He was WRONG, and said that because he couldn't reconcile the two uses of the word WORKS!
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- Alan St Andrew Now who needs to read in context?
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat What precedes Grace is not the works of james or great effort. God's Grace is not based on what I do or only for those who try their best. You ALan are suggesting that once saved if you do not do works or show works you are not inducted in the Hall of Grace. I do not even trust in my works nor I look for works as the way. I guess those poor bitten by snakes must have been doing their best by looking at eachother agony, but God said look at the serpent on a pole. What is that telling you. WORKS or GRACE?
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- Alan St Andrew No Alejandro, that is NOT what I'm suggesting AT ALL, though it seems to echo in your mind. Now, the question remains, if that is NOT what I am suggesting, then just what AM I saying?
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- Alan St Andrew And WE are NOT the "snake bitten." WE are in the place of the one who brought the HEALING, BY ACTING ON THE WORD OF GOD.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat True Faith must produce Righteous work ARE YOUR WORDS ALAN.
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- Alan St Andrew I did not say "must." I said "will."
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat TRUE FAITH is not idle it is the work of GOD ALMIGHTY IN CHRIST JESUS imputed in meby His Grace, FREELY.
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- Alan St Andrew These "works" are the RESULT. You keep thinking of them as the "MEANS."
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- Byron Mill
  works (really they are fruits) are a by product of growing in grace...the fruit of the spirit are not a accurate identifying feature of a Christian (child of God) they are not meant to be a means of telling whether someone is born again or not...the robe of righteousness is invisible to the human eye, its also a free gift so works(actions) do not come into equation... good or bad....one can be the righteousness of God and look like the devil himself, without faith in that gift of righteousness(through the obedience of Jesus) grace does not flow... where there's no flow fruit does not grow.... sin will not have dominion over an individual when that individual understands that they are righteous through Jesus perfect obedience... yet they can be born again for 50 years and never produce any fruit due to wrong doctrine... evaluating someone by their doctrinal stance, fruit, conduct.. attitude, family line.. denomination.. background... anything that we can see is carnal, spiritual thruth is only discerned through the word of God and the holy SPirit.... "as Jesus is so are we in this world" does not apply to the outworking of that perfection... though believing that fact will produce fruit... the fact remains for every born again person -"as Jesus is so are we in this world"
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- Alan St Andrew FAITH WILL PRODUCE RESULTS IN THIS WORLD, AND THE NEXT.
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- Alejandro Grace Ararat Byron said it awesomely.
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- Alan St Andrew Byron, Scripture is clear. The "evidence" is for those STILL IN DARKNESS to see. It is the "shining of the Light" that lives within us.
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- Alan St Andrew ‎14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven. Matthew 5:14-16 (ESV)
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- Alan St Andrew
  ‎9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. 11 Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul. 12 Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation. 1 Peter 2:9-12 (ESV)
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- Alan St Andrew ‎15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. 16 They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work. Titus 1:15-16 (ESV)
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- Alan St Andrew ‎24 The sins of some men are conspicuous, going before them to judgment, but the sins of others appear later. 25 So also good works are conspicuous, and even those that are not cannot remain hidden. 1 Timothy 5:24-25 (ESV)
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- Alan St Andrew ‎17 As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. 18 They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, 19 thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life. 1 Timothy 6:17-19 (ESV)
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- Bryant W. Shultz I love the book of James what most people don't realize is that it is written to the unsaved... to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad... a people with a sense of lost identity.
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- Alan St Andrew ‎6 Likewise, urge the younger men to be self-controlled. 7 Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, 8 and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us. 9 Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, 10 not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior. Titus 2:6-10 (ESV)
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- Alan St Andrew
  ‎11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, 12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works. 15 Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you. Titus 2:11-15 (ESV)
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- Alan St Andrew ‎1 I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, 2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, 3 eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Ephesians 4:1-6 (ESV)
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- Alan St Andrew
  ‎17 Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. 18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. 19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. 20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!— 21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, 22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, 23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness. 25 Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another. 26 Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and give no opportunity to the devil. 28 Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. 29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. 32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you. Ephesians 4:17-32 (ESV)
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- Byron Mill
  amen, my beloved brother Andrew... but first Jesus said "YOU ARE the light of the world" if people "try" to shine without knowing(believing) that they are the light of the world, they are under the law, the law produces the works of the flesh, and the flesh cannot produce... ishmael cannot inherit.. the focus should always be on who we are what we have in Jesus.. we become partakers of the devine nature through these exccedingly great and precious promises... the problem is no one is reinforcing these promises from the pulpit they are always talking about the outworking instead of getting people grounded in the truth of who they are in Christ... a dog's life produces dog's fruits,,, a duck life produces ducks fruits,, god's life produces god's fruits.. we don't focus on the fruits we make sure we got the life.... Jesus said.. if you don'teat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you.... so by feeding on Jesus crucifiction and finished work the life the Holy SPiriti quickens our mortal bodies to look more like the inside
  15 hours ago · · 2 people
- Alan St Andrew Yes, for those saved by the Grace of our Father, there is MUCH they can do! NONE OF IT MAKES THEM RIGHTEOUS. ALL OF IT IS DONE BECAUSE THEY ARE HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
  15 hours ago · · 3 people
- Byron Mill amen
  15 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew Byron, my whole point has absolutely NOTHING to do with "trying to shine", rather the RESULT OF THEIR REALIZATION OF THE TRUTH OF THEIR NEW NATURE GIVEN. We don't just sit like a lump on a log in our REST. THAT REST is SO WONDERFUL, there is GREAT DESIRE TO BE ACTIVE, and that activity comes FROM that rest.
  15 hours ago · · 3 people
- Alan St Andrew Yes, I want to SING, to SHOUT, to DANCE, to HEAL, to PREACH, to SHARE the wondrous gift I've been given with those that need it, and with those that HAVE IT!!! 14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers. Whoever does not love abides in death. 1 John 3:14 (ESV)
  14 hours ago · · 3 people
- Byron Mill
  we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us, but first we must rest and be content with Jesus satisfying all our needs spirit soul and body and .. if we go out with a need(consciousness of lack) we try to fill that need with dead works to quench that consciousness of lack,, Jesus is everything we need but if we don't believe that we seek to fill that void with ministry and other good things, or we could look to fulfill it with other things... Paul learnt to be content in all because he knew(believed) through revelation knowledge and wisdom that Jesus was all He needed and he had all of him(His fullness) right now..
  14 hours ago · · 3 people
- Alejandro Grace Ararat Amen Byron. I am only righteous throught His EFFFECTUAL Gift of Faith by Grace in me for only then I have what God requires. -Alejandro Grace Ararat
  14 hours ago ·
- Byron Mill we love because we know how much he loves us first... we can be a Christian(born again) and have no understanding of God's love, therefore no love for others... its not an imperative its a fruit of right believing..
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew Precisely. Paul LEARNED. He launched out into the deep before he had learned everything, though. And through this ACTING ON THE WORD RECEIVED, he was given more. He lived out the parable of the Talents.
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Byron Mill interesting i thought he spent 3 years learning from Jesus
  14 hours ago ·
- Byron Mill im not sure though
  14 hours ago ·
- Alan St Andrew Yes, and he learned more along the way. His letters reveal a progression, and that through the time of his life.
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Byron Mill mmm.... i like revelation on the way.. its like drive a through
  14 hours ago · · 3 people
- Alan St Andrew And the point I was making with 1 John 3:14 was NOT the "Whoever does not love abides in death." Not by a LONG SHOT! Try this, "By THIS we KNOW that we have passed OUT OF DEATH INTO LIFE, BECAUSE WE LOVE THE BROTHERS." THAT is the part that goes with what I said about sharing with those that HAVE RECEIVED THE GIFT. Again, I'm not being heard because minds are keying on ECHOES...
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Byron Mill we need to sit at his feet and receive His word... its the one thing needed.. works are not needful... feeding is needful... otherwise we starve to death
  14 hours ago · · 3 people
- Alan St Andrew And it is EFFORTLESS, because it is the EXPRESSION OF WHO YOU ARE.
  14 hours ago · · 3 people
- Alan St Andrew THAT IS "REST."
  14 hours ago · · 2 people
- Alan St Andrew AND IT IS NOT "INACTIVE."
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew Jesus in the desert was AT REST in His identity, and so did not "do" to "prove" it. AFTER that, however.... HE WAS MOST ACTIVE, AND POINTED OUT THE WORKS HE DID AS EVIDENCE OF HIS IDENTITY, to those who SHOULD have known! NOT to those that received Him, but to those that OPPOSED HIM.
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew AND ALL THE WHILE, HE WAS AT REST IN HIS IDENTITY.
  14 hours ago · · 2 people
- Alan St Andrew Why so "allergic" to the idea that once you KNOW who you are because HE MADE YOU THAT, you will ACT THAT WAY while you still walk in this world. THAT is the "work" that is not "works!"
  14 hours ago · · 2 people
- Bryant W. Shultz It is effortless, because of the expression of who He is in you... that is Rest... which is active...
  14 hours ago · · 4 people
- Alejandro Grace Ararat I want to share this to everyone, I do not like to hoard awesome teaching based on HIS TRUTH [New Covenant] .http://www.dynamicministries.com/video-messages/sunday-service-video-archive/3793-sunday2010-12-12-as-in-the-day-of-harvest
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew When Father looks at us, He sees Jesus in our hearts. When He looks at Jesus, He sees US IN HIS.
  14 hours ago · · 3 people
- Byron Mill Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Byron Mill i misquoted a bit there\
  14 hours ago ·
- Alan St Andrew Bryant, that is what I'm saying, and that is what Barry said in the post that started this fun. He is in you, and you will express that in this world. Can't hide THAT light under a bushel. THAT light GLOWS THROUGH!
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew He sees us in Jesus' heart. "...US IN HIS."
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Byron Mill but first you need to know you are the light
  14 hours ago · · 2 people
- Alan St Andrew Not the issue here. That is a GIVEN!
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew LITERALLY! ;)
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Byron Mill not for most christians, they believe they have to be tuned or something, they believe that they are a little bit less than the righteousness and glory of God... preaching the gift of righteousness removes the veil so the glory can shine
  14 hours ago · · 2 people
- Alan St Andrew OH BOY, now I'M the "punny" one!
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Byron Mill im not sure what you mean bro
  14 hours ago ·
- Alan St Andrew We here involved in this discussion right now are none of those. And bringing that into this group simply spins the issue.
  14 hours ago ·
- Byron Mill am i beating up on you
  14 hours ago ·
- Alan St Andrew LOL!
  14 hours ago ·
- Byron Mill ok... i wont bother
  14 hours ago ·
- Alan St Andrew What time is it on your clock, Byron?
  14 hours ago ·
- Bryant W. Shultz God wants you to behold as in a mirror the glory of His Son who is in you by His Spirit. As you do this, His Word says that you are being transformed from glory to glory
  14 hours ago · · 4 people
- Bryant W. Shultz Is it okay if I go to bed now?
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alejandro Grace Ararat sin is ruling until Sovereign Grace detrones it through the GIFT OF FAITH by imputing RIghteousness forgivenes, protectio favor and much more apart from any work [past present or future] and it is His FAITH in me that mantains me all the way through.
  14 hours ago ·
- Bryant W. Shultz Can you believe we are at 150 comments... good night all!
  14 hours ago · · 2 people
- Alan St Andrew G'night, Bryant!
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew Alejandro, brother, stop acting like you don't know that I preach grace. Understand what I AM saying, instead of ASSUMING that I'm trying to speak counter to grace.
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew The Righteousness of God finds expression in this world, just as the Love of God toward us found expression in the Cross.
  14 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew It takes a while to read through 153 BOOKS, eh Barry! LOL!
  14 hours ago ·
- Barry Hansen WOW, great discussion
  13 hours ago · · 2 people
- Barry Hansen Alan you understand what I was saying, I will give the others an analogy I hope they understand. We are like cars, as sinners we have no gas in the tank, Grace is the Gas, it fuels the car, once your saved the Gas tank is full, always full, but what do you do now, still there and do nothing or do you start the car and drive?
  13 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew The "mustard seed" grew! ;)
  13 hours ago · · 2 people
- Alan St Andrew OH, THAT'S GOOD!!! That one SINGS to me, Barry! I'm of to the RACETRACK! LOL!
  13 hours ago · · 1 person
- Barry Hansen Amen, you can sit and enjoy the beauty of your car all you want or you can use the car to do good things, doesn't change the fact that the tank is full of Grace
  13 hours ago ·
- Alan St Andrew Dyslexic fingers again! Of course, that SHOULD be "OFF to the RACETRACK!"
  13 hours ago · · 1 person
- Barry Hansen LOL, :)
  13 hours ago ·
- Alan St Andrew I've got a full Gracetank, and NO SPEED LIMITS!
  13 hours ago · · 2 people
- Byron Mill Sounds like a john bevere analogy, its good, man i dislike that guy, just being honest. grace is a Person in my opinion, he only operates when we are not under law.
  13 hours ago · · 2 people
- Alan St Andrew He is unaffected by Law. We are the ones that are blocked by Law if we cling to the Veil.
  13 hours ago · · 1 person
- Barry Hansen Matt 9:38 Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field." That they come in their Hondas, Chevys and Fords, their Mercedes, an Kias and Subaru's, their Minis, and Suzukis
  13 hours ago · · 2 people
- Byron Mill shouldnt have made that comment about him, sorry
  13 hours ago ·
- Alan St Andrew You know, that passage has an interesting twist. "Send out" is "ekbollo", "to eject", the same word used for CASTING OUT DEMONS. Not the same tone as "apostolos", "a delegate or ambassador." Fits with our MUSCLE CAR theme!
  13 hours ago · · 1 person
- Byron Mill We are one spirit with Jesus, the law activates the flesh, or self effort and quenches the spirit, we are in the spirit but its another thing to walk by the Spirit
  13 hours ago ·
- Alan St Andrew ‎8 Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Peter 4:8 (ESV)
  13 hours ago · · 2 people
- Barry Hansen AMEN, Grace is a person, Jesus Christ, and He live and Breathes in us. Yes we are saved by Him, now lets share this Great News we have with the rest of the World, lets tell the law bound Christians of the freedom that they have forsaken, lets tell the world that Jesus Christ is alive and well within us and that He is the Savior of all mankind
  13 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alan St Andrew Amen! So Be It!
  13 hours ago · · 1 person
- Barry Hansen ‎2 Cor 5:14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
  13 hours ago · · 1 person
- Byron Mill Im deed!
  13 hours ago · · 2 people
- Byron Mill Thats good news
  13 hours ago · · 1 person
- Barry Hansen So a per my original post, God through Christ is going to use us to do greater works
  13 hours ago · · 2 people
- Alan St Andrew No argument from ME! HALLELUJAH!
  13 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alejandro Grace Ararat God demands nothing from us, but definitely demanded everything "for" us. ~John P. Cwynar saw it from Tina Wallis post.
  13 hours ago · · 2 people
- Tina Willis Had some friends over this evening and we were just talking about this very thing. If I didn't do a "single" thing for Abba He would still absolutely DELIGHT in me... and it's because I know this that makes me want to do. So lovely, so simple. Good dialog Brothers~ Shalom
  13 hours ago · · 2 people
- Alan St Andrew THAT, dear sister, is the image of the thief on the cross. He didn't GET to do anything else. But he was the last one to believe before Jesus gave His spirit back to Father, and the FIRST ONE to wake up home with Jesus!
  13 hours ago · · 1 person
- Alejandro Grace Ararat Alan, did not I say that before ?????
  13 hours ago ·
- Alejandro Grace Ararat Works do NOT produce Righteousness, neither did the Law of Moses produce [ANY, NONE] Righteousness, BUT Faith in Christ produced Righteousness in me
  12 hours ago · · 1 person
- Barry Hansen Alejandro, yes that's right, and the Love of Christ compels me to do. So works don't save us, but once saved by Grace we do
  11 hours ago ·
- Alan St Andrew And I, dear Alejandro, NEITHER said that works PRODUCE righteousness, nor did I EVER suggest such a thing. Yet, you still seem to be trying to apply that to what I've said. Again, put that AWAY, and THEN look at what I've said. THAT is NOT the point of the discussion.
  5 hours ago ·
- Bryant W. Shultz In total contrast to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the tree of life bears fruit effortlessly consistent with the life of our original design!
  5 hours ago ·
- John P. Cwynar While Alan & Alejandro continue to WORK this whole matter out, I think I will go take a Grace nap (while I continue doing things, of course, Barry.)
  5 hours ago ·
- Pang William Dear beloveds, you all are just awesome... have it posted at my blog http://yasolovesme.blogspot.com/2010/12/works-without-faith-is-dead-dead.html for future reference. :))
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