This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!: If you are in Christ... there is no sin in you!

Pang William If you are in Christ... there is no sin in you!

If you are being preached the confession or repentance of sins, than you are not being preached "THE" who is "HE" forgiveness of sins. Forgiveness has a name & it is JESUS! Acts 13:38-39

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September 4 at 2:48pm · · Comment · Share

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- Pang William This is called a radical Grace message. Hallelujah!! Often even Grace anointed pastors preached to you that your sins are forgiven but if you ask them is there sin in me if I tell a lie now? Most of them will tell you... YES, but it is forgiven! Praise Daddy and thanks to Richard for his revelation. If Christ and I is one... How could I possibly sin if I am in Christ??? Hallelujah!!
  September 4 at 3:09pm ·
- John P. Cwynar Under Grace we still commit acts of sin. The clear teaching of 1 John 1:9 is that we are to confess our sins. The aorist tense there shows that these sins have been forgiven already in Christ's death, and yet I am to confess them.
  September 4 at 3:10pm ·
- Susan Zomparelli I am not sure about his conclusion.
  September 4 at 3:10pm ·
- Susan Zomparelli thats what I thought John, thank you! There is to be repentance and confession, and to speak otherwise seemed wrong to me.
  September 4 at 3:20pm ·
- Pang William
  Ask this... Can God sin? Can Christ tell a lie? Can He commit the acts of sin? whatever you might think... the answer is NO! If He can, how can He be righteous? and if He is not righteous, how can He save us of sin? Now He gave us His righteousness in exchange of our sin... and just an act of sin in you, you become a sinner again? Or you may say... No, I'm not a sinner but what I did was sin and so I must confess that sin to be righteous with God. My friend... if you think your confession of sin can make you righteous with God, Christ died in vain! God is a Spirit and so are you in Christ, God is righteous and so are you in Christ, God is sinless and so are you in Christ, God cannot sin and so are you in Christ! Christ is perfect and so are you in Him! As He is and so are you in Christ in this world!!
  
  To understand 1 John 1:9 better... please readhttp://yasolovesme.blogspot.com/2010/08/1-john-19-what-say-you.html
  September 4 at 3:58pm ·
- Matt Thompson Amen Pang. The mis-imterpretation of 1John 1:9 has birthed many a Catholic-Related denomination or religion. I strongly suggest for people to read the link you provided to correctly understand 1John 1:9.
  September 4 at 6:30pm · · 2 people
- Martin Pratt My understanding is that the Christ in me cannot sin. He that saith he has no sin is deceived.
  September 4 at 6:47pm ·
- Byron Mill
  To understand the book (1 John) you need to understand who John was righting to :)... it was written after Paul's letters by the way.....John wrote to give assurance of eternal life to those who believe in the name of the Son of God(Jesus)....Johns readers were uncertain because false teachers of a false doctrine made them question their belief.. John refers to these teachings as deceitful from false prophets, liars antichrists who had once been within the church, but had withdrawn and had gone into the world to propergate their dangerous heresy. These Gnostic heretics had a dualistic viewpoint they believed all matter was evil and spirit is esentially good, this caused them to deny the incarnation of Christ and hence the Resurection. The true God, they taught, could never indwell a material body of flesh and blood. Therefore the human body that Jesus supposedly possessed was not real, but merely apparent. John wrote vigorously against this error. They also taught that since the evil human body was merely an envelope for the spirit within, and since nothing the body could do could effect the inner spirit, ethical destinctions ceased to be relevant. Therefore they believed they had no sin, and John refuted this error with indignation. Talking to mankind in general, not to the church specifically he said --- "if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US"-- 1 John 1:8
  He is speaking to mankind in general here, if we think we have not sinned we cannot be saved, because we think we don't need a saviour!
  
  Jesus said in Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
  
  The next verse 1 John 1:9 says, "if we confess our sins(or that we have sinned) He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" --- but that is once for all time, notice verse 1 John 1:7 " IF WE WALK IN THE LIGHT(believe in Jesus correctly), we have fellowship with one another and THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST HIS SON CLEANSES US FROM ALL(EVERY) SIN!!! --
  
  Its not our confession of sins that cleanses us but Jesus blood through belief of the truth about Jesus, before i got saved, if i believed i had no sin, i would be calling God a liar and i would see no need for a saviour but if i am a sinner, Jesus is the saviour of sinners! But once we are saved we are perfected forever by Jesus' one sacrifice (hebrews 10:14)and He comes to live inside us forever!! The blood of Jesus has made us holy so His holy SPirit can dwell in us and Jesus said He will never leave us nor forsake us, so we cannot become unholy by sinning. Its not our actions that make us Holy but Jesus blood.
  
  So what im trying to show is that when we believe in Jesus the Son of God, that He was God in the flesh, sinless, died for us in our place on the cross and rose again to die no more. If we confess that Jesus is Lord we are saved and we are transferred from the kingdom of darkness(satans) into the kingdom of light(Christs Kingdom)
  
  Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has made us meet(acceptable) to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints IN LIGHT.
  Col 1:13 For He has delivered us from the power of darkness and has translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son;
  
  If we have believed we are already walking in light. And the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin!! We confess one time that we need Jesus and He saved us and forgave all our sins, and cleansed us from all unrighteousness. Now that God has put us in Christ, He is our rightousness, not our actions, we are as righteous as Jesus is and He has taken away all our sins! We will never be punished for sins ever because Jesus was condemned for our sins approx 2000 years ago!! Thats why there is therefore no condemnation for those in Christ!!
  Confesion is to say the same thing about our sins as God says
  they are gone, they are forgotten and punished, we are perfect in God's eyes because He sees Jesus when He looks at us!
  
  1Co 1:30 But of Him(God's determination) you are in Christ Jesus, who of God is made to us wisdom and righteousness and sanctification(this word in greek means holiness) and redemption;
  
  Jesus is our wisdom from God, Jesus is our righteousness(rightstanding - innocence before God) and our holiness and redemption all becuase of what He has done, no what we do or don't do. Our actions have nothing to do with being in Christ, only what God did for us when we believed in Christ crucified and Him risen from the dead.
  
  We are the temple of God, the righteousness of God and forgiven.
  We forgive because Christ has already forgiven us, not to be forgiven,
  When Jesus said forgive or your heavenly Father will not forgive you, Jesus had not been crucified and no body was born again yet, now we have been forgiven of our entire life of all kinds of sinful actions an thoughts.They have been deleted from God's eternal memory.
  
  Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities I will remember no more."
  
  When God showed me this it set me free!!!
  Thank God for Jesus and this good news!
  September 4 at 7:30pm · · 3 people
- Martin Pratt Amen and amen!
  September 4 at 8:39pm ·
- John P. Cwynar
  Simple truth is what is needed here. What I hear above and in the link is a lot of explaination to get around a simple text of scripture. All of the NT epistles, including Ephesians, admit to the reality of the presence of sin among believers. That's why some of them were written from a human standpoint. Paul clearly identifies this sinning as the flesh. Paul, as the proponent of Grace in the NT, regarded himself 'carnal' and 'chief of sinners' in the present tense 'I am.'
  
  1 John 1:9 in no way competes with Grace as the aorist infinitives used for forgiveness and cleansing clearly refer back to the finished work of Jesus on the cross. We are not instructed to confess our sins in order to be forgiven. Rather, it is when we confess acts of sin in the present that God assures us of His faithfulness to the finished work of Jesus. I am reminded that the sin that I commit, has been dealt with already and shall not have dominion over me. There is nothing here about losing or regaining fellowship. This is part of my walking with the Lord. I remind myself where my sin comes from & He reminds me where my righteousness comes from. This is being set truly free.
  
  Now on a serious note. In the above comments & link, statements were made about being deceived, that those who follow what I am saying are deceived. Again, staying simple with the literal text, it plainly says that for a believer to say he has no sin...THIS IS DECEPTION. Pang, I enjoy much of what you post here on FB, but to promote what you are teaching on this is utter deception. If you believe you are without sin, you have been deceived.
  September 4 at 9:06pm · · 1 person
- Matt Thompson
  John: In "keeping it simple, as you say, "There is no condemnation for those that are In Christ... No one has any problem admitting we commit sinful acts. But to God? It's already ancient history... It's been dealt with under the terms of the New Covenant.
  
  It's kinda like speeding. We all know when we're going too fast. But under the New Covenant, "all things are permissible, but not all thing are 'profitable'". So... If there were no speed limit? We'd be breaking no law... but we could still suffer grave physical consequences of our actions.
  
  In my opinion, the context of 1John 1:9 in the link above is correct. It is mis-interpreting the context that always leads to error in understanding... such as believers taking to heart instructions meant for the lost people, void of salvation, and visa-versa.
  
  But hey. We're all doing the best we can to understand. No fault in that.
  September 4 at 9:24pm ·
- Byron Mill
  Amen Matt, its not that we do not commit sin as believers, we beleive that Christ was condemned for our sins, did He commit any sins? NO , but How did Christ die to sin, he died to the imputation and the guilt and the condemnation of our sins once for all time
  
  Rom 6:10 For the death that he(Jesus) died, he died to sin once: but the life that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
  Rom 6:11 Even so(in the same manner that Christ died to sin) reckon yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive unto God in Christ Jesus.
  
  So Christ never died to sinful actions and deeds, so neither do we, he died to the imputation of OUR SINS 2000 years ago, so we are to take the account that we are dead to the imputation of sins to us, that is, God does not hold our sins against us, we have no sin........Do you see bro,
  I used to believe what you hold so presciously and God had to show me so don't get offended when the truth is revealed and your wrong like the pharisees were.
  
  Paul also said I am crucified with Christ nevertheless i live yet not I but Christ lives in me ---- does Christ have sin??? Nope neither do i, im dead but i share in His rightoeusness and eternal life. Since i am in Him
  by God's grace, through faith and not of works so no one can boast
  
  As far as God is concerned(and thats all that matters) i have no spot in me. As Christ is so am I in this world.
  
  If you want to believe this lie,
  If you want to confess your sins to be forgiven, make sure you confess all of them, thats every thought, every wrong motive, every time you are depressed, everytime you are fall short in anything and don't do things perfectly, make sure you confess all, if you want to build a doctrine around it!!
  Otherwise you will not be forgiven, have you confessed everything so far? Can anybody feel secure believing this lie, no, becasue its inspired by hell. Jesus came to give us the assurance of eternal life, not religion
  
  I have already tried this, it nearly drove me insane. If you believe it good on you, but don't tell other people to believe a lie. You will have to explain what you have been saying to Jesus one day. Your forgiven and righteous and saved in Christ not by confession of sins(which is works) so no one can boast.
  
  In the old tesatment they had to forgive and cofess to be forgiven, grace is you are aready forgiven by believing in Jesus and what He has done.
  
  Act 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man(Jesus) is preached(proclaimed) unto you the forgiveness of sins:
  Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses (ten commandments).
  September 4 at 10:17pm · · 2 people
- Ryan Clegg
  It is probably hard for people not to be offended (as you counciled John) when people say things like "so don't get offended when the truth is revealed and your wrong like the pharisees were." Just pointing that out.
  And your theology seems to work well for you however you need it to. Let me give you an example. You said "God does not hold our sins against us, we have no sin" and then, in the same post, you say this "I have already tried this, it nearly drove me insane. If you believe it good on you, but don't tell other people to believe a lie. You will have to explain what you have been saying to Jesus one day." This makes no sense. If you believe that all sins are forgiven (past, present and future), then why would John have to answer to Jesus and not you?
  Its one or the other pal. We don't get to pick and choose who is forgiven.
  
  I really find it quite humorous that the proponents of the "grace" message harp on people who believe in confession of sins as if they aren't saved. Give it a rest. If you really believe what you say, you will let it go cause God does.
  
  @John-
  No sense in arguing with them, man. I tried.
  September 4 at 10:37pm ·
- Pang William
  God does not live in time, and He see from the beginning of time till the end of time... and so to Him all sins are forgiven by the blood of Christ. That's includes those sins you might commit tomorrow and also those before and after Christ and those of non believers like the Muslim and the Buddhists. In fact there are no more sins in this world except one... it is called the sin of unbelief!
  
  But those live according to the flesh, cannot accept the thing of the Spirit... For God only see us of the Spirit and not of the flesh, In the Spirit, we are righteous, we are sinless, we are perfect... just like Christ. And so in Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. ... In the flesh or under the law, we know we all have sins, indeed plenty of them. But the Word here is not referring us of the flesh but of the Spirit. So if you see yourself in the flesh or walk under the law, sin will have dominion over you! But if you see yourself in the Spirit, and walk by Grace then sin has no dominion over you.
  
  Let me use one more verse... and everyone knows this one Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. ... It is saying... no condemnation for you who are in Christ if you walk according to the Spirit. Another word... See yourself as Christ, see yourself as God sees you, there is no condemnation. And on the side... even though you are in Christ yet you walk in the flesh, live by the law, you will be condemned! God doesn't condemn you but the law condemns you. That's why you see your sins, and you want to confess your sins to make things right.
  
  If you are offended from my writing, all I can say is you are still of the flesh, under the law. You should put down your pride and seek the Spirit for revelation. If you are not offended but still disagreed with my point, you are coming near to Him now. If you not offended and your heart felt warm with joys, you have received His revelation.
  
  Heb 10:17 Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more." ... If God doesn't see your sins, why do you want to see them? Thank you for reading. Shalom!
  September 4 at 10:54pm · · 1 person
- Martin Pratt
  wait, hold on, let me back up and think more about what is being said here.
  I do hold to what I said before, "My understanding is that the Christ in me cannot sin. But he that saith he has no sin is deceived."
  
  That is simple enough for me. I do sin, I do confess when I know I have sinned. but I''ll have to back off saying anything more.
  September 4 at 10:54pm ·
- Byron Mill
  I see what you mean, i apologize for saying that, its true, God won't bring up what we've done wrong on earth. Words can really hurt people, especially wrong doctrine. Im sure God never brought up Peter's denying Jesus when He got to heaven so who am i to bring it up, Im just as much guilty of preaching the wrong doctrine in the past as others, i should show others the same grace that God has shown me.
  
  What i was saying is that in the past, i believed in cofessions of sin to be forgiven and it is not possible to confess all our sins, we would be doing it all day. Can you imagine what that would look like? Yes like a crazy person. Being perpetually sin conscious is insulting the work of Jesus, we should have no more consciousness of sins. How can we have no more consciousness of our sins and still own them?
  
  Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
  Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers ONCE PURGED should have had no more conscience of sins.
  Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
  
  Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the word(Jesus)
  So where have OUR sins gone? on Jesus and into Hell. And He is risen without our sins!!
  
  Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified(made holy).
  September 4 at 10:57pm · · 1 person
- John P. Cwynar Thanks Ryan. I think some think that if they keep saying the same thing over and over again it will become true. Instead of accepting the simplicity of Grace expressed in a simple verse, it must be easier to create some complex monstrosity based on a gnostic context. For me, I am just thankful that the mercies of God are new every morning. Were we sinless like them, these mercies would be out moded and unnecessary. I 'confess' both to God and men my need of them.
  September 4 at 10:58pm ·
- Ryan Clegg No one disagrees that Christ takes away our sins pang. He does.
  
  but I do want to understand your position: anyone who confesses their sins is going to Hell? is that what you are saying?
  September 4 at 10:58pm ·
- Byron Mill No He did 2000 years ago, He is not taking away He has taken away the sins of the world!
  September 4 at 10:59pm ·
- Byron Mill No if you beleive in Jesus you are going to heaven.
  September 4 at 11:00pm ·
- John P. Cwynar
  ‎"If you are offended from my writing, all I can say is you are still of the flesh, under the law. You should put down your pride and seek the Spirit for revelation. If you are not offended but still disagreed with my point, you are coming near to Him now. If you not offended and your heart felt warm with joys, you have received His revelation."
  
  Pang, do you really believe what you have written above. Where have I expressed pride. I have treated you kindly as a brother, and now you Pang, have become the Judge of my relationship with the Father? Pang, can't you see how pompously deceived you are???
  September 4 at 11:09pm ·
- Byron Mill
  Romans 8:1 - There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, ((((who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.)))) If you guys will check this out, the second half of this verse was added by the translators of the King James Bible it was never in the original manuscripts, its as if someone could not believe how good Jesus is and added something to it. This is actually is part of verse 4. ]
  It amazing how you read it if you read the original letter Paul wrote.
  September 4 at 11:11pm ·
- Byron Mill There is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus period!!!
  September 4 at 11:16pm ·
- John P. Cwynar Except for those who disagree with Pang (apparently).
  September 4 at 11:17pm ·
- Byron Mill
  Well Pang is wrong, i was wrong, we forgive even as Christ has forgiven us. He probably didn't know that that scripture is wrong and we all take the bible seriously, and it just so happens that he has taken something the bible said and believed it. now He can correct His doctrine and we can all get along.Might as well, we are one body and we belong to all the others, there's no point stabbing your own body or excluding our hating your own foot or your ear. It's kind of silly what we do isn't it, we are the only people famous for taking out our own and beating them down. You guys are so precious to Jesus
  Unforgiveness makes me a ugly person, thank God i have received forgiveness so i can forgive. Jesus has already forgiven us for arguing, how awesome is that? Thats love.
  September 4 at 11:29pm · · 1 person
- Pang William
  John, please... I'm just writing in general. It is true, no one like to be told... including myself. Our flesh react faster than we can think. John, I'm still your friend and I am not judging you... though we might have differences in our thinking, it doesn't I'm right and you're wrong. We all are learning everyday. Not long ago... I disagreed that "one saved is always saved" but now the Holy Spirit opened my heart to see that truth! And if my belief here about "confessing of sin" is wrong, He will correct me. When I said about being offended... I don't mean you, but in general... Pro 13:10 By pride comes nothing but strife, But with the well-advised is wisdom.
  September 4 at 11:29pm · · 1 person
- Ryan Clegg You are judging and you cant even admit it.
  September 4 at 11:37pm ·
- John P. Cwynar
  Thank you, Pang...now you are speaking again as a brother and I accept you fully as my brother. Believe it or not, you have just 'confessed' some things to me. You have not confessed out of fear of condemnation. Confession is something we do in the Family, brother to brother and son the Father. Rather than coming out of guilt or condemnation, it cames out of a relationship of love. Thank you for your confession, and I confess that my flesh often reacts faster than I think. We need new mercies everyday. Again, thank you, brother.
  September 4 at 11:40pm · · 1 person
- Pang William
  Byron, I knew of that missing original script. But I don't totally disregard it too. I seek the Spirit of clear understand... Yes, the first part says there is no condemnation for one in Christ. The condemnation here is talking about condemnation of the law (the law is also called the ministry of condemnation) not anything like losing your salvation. To understand further, you might want to refer to chapter 7. In it Paul was talking about how he struggled with the law in his flesh. So to put them all in correct context... Paul was saying there is no condemnation (from the law and no knowledge of sin) for those who are in Christ.
  
  And the second part is also true if you understand the meaning of walking in the flesh and walking in the Spirit. Many think that walking in the flesh is simply the work of our effort. The New Covenant truth is not in doing but in believing... The second part is referring to "sin conscious" or "righteous conscious". Now we put the two together...
  
  There is therefore now no condemnation from the law and no knowledge of sin for those who are in Christ, who do not walk in sin consciousness of the law, but in righteousness consciousness in the Spirit.
  September 5 at 12:15am ·
- Byron Mill
  Amen, but condemnation is a definite statement, there is only no condemnation for those in Christ, Jesus said, those who who do not believe in Me are condemned already, so when we are in Christ we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, in a state of no condemnation, then while in christ we can either walk BY the flesh or BY the Spirit, theres a difference between being IN and walking BY.
  
  Once we were saved, our old man was crucified, we died with Christ and were buried and raised with Him, our flesh has been crucifed, He condemned sin in the flesh.
  
  We can only sin by the flesh, our spirits cannot sin, so all of our future sins have been condemned already, so when we commit sins we do it by the flesh, as far as God is concerned that man who committed and commits those sins has been condemned already, so God does not see us in the flesh, He sees us in the Spirit. So the flesh that we still have, God does not see that attached to us He see's it condemned with Christ, He condemned sin in the flesh
  (the old man in Adam) has been crucified and condemned --
  
  Once we are in Christ there is no condemnation, how can we leave something on the end of that verse that doesn't belong and not add to the meaning.
  It puts conditions on no condemnation, other than being in Christ,
  
  If you don't throw it away it completely distorts the rest of the chapter brother, im telling you. Im not kidding Anything that is not complete truth is not truth.
  
  So We are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, because the H.S live in us. Now we can walk by spiritual mindedness which is life and peace or carnal mindedness which is death. Becuase if we don't believe who Christ has made us, we strive t be like Christ or we in ignorance continue in sin because their is no power or life from God to overcome sin, if we believe the wrong thing. But that doesn't mean we will be condemned by God or judged by the law if we walk by being carnal minded.
  TO walk by the flesh means we are tying to draw life from a dead body and there is no source of life flowing from our bodies so we will die. The Holy SPirit flows from within when we believe scripturally, thats when we believe that Jesus is our rihtoeusness He quickens our mortal flesh. Butif we believe the wrong thing we can get sick and die but we will never go to hell for walking by the flesh. Its not God's law hat condemns us, the law has been nailed to the cross, its the fact that we are now living in a dead body and His spirit cant bring life to where its needed and His redemption isn't being enforced
  
  Thats what i believe anyway
  September 5 at 12:46am ·
- Joy Aj wow! this is awesome
  September 5 at 12:50am ·
- Garry Knoetze Confession is the greek work Homologeo, which means to agree with or say the same thing as. To confess what God says about something then, for example "Jesus is Lord". What does the Word (Jesus Christ) say about my sin. "Your sins are forgiven thee". "The Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world", etc. So to confess my sin is to agree with God that he has not imputed them to me but has already imputed them to His Son, condemned them in the flesh and taken them away forever.
  September 5 at 1:02am · · 1 person
- Byron Mill amen gary
  September 5 at 1:20am ·
- John P. Cwynar So then, what's the big deal against confession?
  September 5 at 1:28am ·
- Susan Zomparelli
  The bible is clear, I could pull up a bunch of scripture that we have all read a million times~ confess your sins and God is just to forgive. We cant walk around ignoring what is...you are taking this litteral~we have no sin? That is just wrong wrong wrong, our sin is forgiven, if there is no sin then how can it be forgiven? There must be sin! WE know we sin, and not go befor our maker and ask him for help? pretend that it dosnt exist? Our faith is that of a belief in a God who makes all things perfect, and our spirit agrees with His Spirit when we hear truth~from word GO my spirit said NO to this message,and scripture flowed into my heart regarding the falsness of it. The bible even tells us to confess to one another!! From one scripture he draws many conclusions, one scriputure from the old testament...and says clearly he has never heard any preacher preach on it...thats cause its wrong! With all love and respect~seek the Lord and He will make your paths straight ♥
  September 5 at 2:19am ·
- Kermit Kiser
  Some truths have been shared in this discussion. But the whole discussion seems to be out of context. Christ came to save us from our sins. Not "with our sins" and definitely not to save sins.
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  Mat 1:21 "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."
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  If we still sin, we may be "saved" but we are not yet saved "from our sins". Sin still leads to sickness and death.
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  Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
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  Hence James says confess if you want to see healing:
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  James 5:16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.
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  The cross and blood of Christ Jesus do indeed bring us forgiveness and cleansing from unrighteousness. But they do not set aside the judgment of God. The desire to escape God's judgment is understandable but it is selfish and evil.
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  Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment
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  1 Pet 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
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  2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
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  Rom 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
  Rom 14:11 For it is written: "As I live, says the LORD, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God."
  Rom 14:12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.
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  We can face it now or later. I say now is much better.
  
  Whoever abides "in Christ" or "walks in the Spirit" or however you want to term it, does not sin. But we still have free choice hence the admonitions to choose that path. (God does not seek robots - He can fill the universe with them quicker than we can blink!)
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  Gal 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
  Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
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  Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
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  John 15:4 "Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
  John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
  John 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
  John 15:7 "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
  John 15:8 "By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
  John 15:9 "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.
  John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
  ...
  1 John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
  ...
  1 John 3:5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
  1 John 3:6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
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  We may have been "saved", but we still have to face death and judgment so it is better to let God have his way now!
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  Rev 3:19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
  September 5 at 2:22am · · 1 person
- Brian Alexander
  All very well but the real question that must be answered here are
  1)Do we have 2 natures?
  2)Are we just scitzo christians hoping to be saved one day by our good confessions
  3)Does the Light of God actually dispell all darkness or just some?
  4)Did we die or are we still alive?
  September 5 at 2:53am ·
- Lars Siah שׁת Luat
  For those who confess their sins, they will confess and confess till forever... Not listening to the Spirit that Jesus had already made them righteous... It amazed me when a lot denomination build a whole doctrine based on 1 john 1:9, whichwritten to the Jews, neglecting the whole teaching of Paul to the Gentiles...
  If confessing ALL our sin is the only way for us to receive forgiveness, then all of us must be confessing ALL of our sins for the rest of our life and must not left any single tiny speck of sin... CONFESS dude... Let me made a confession... I can't Confess all our sins ( neither you can )
  
  Confess all our sins takes forever, from the day you were born until present. Can you still remember all of them, if we advocate this teaching? If that so, Paul made a BIG MISTAKE for not advocating this teaching in his entire letters to the Gentiles... Probably John might had rebuke Paul like the way Paul rebuked Peter for not advocating the teaching, right?
  
  The word "homologeo" in 1 John 1:9 literally mean "homo = same, logeo from logos = word" where it tells us that we must confess the same thing, that is what God the Father had "confess" about us, it is we are righteous before Him...
  September 5 at 4:56am · · 1 person
- Pang William Lars, you're awesome! I'm impressed! Praise Daddy for you! and glory to the Holy Spirit for He has taught you well.
  September 5 at 5:13am ·
- Lars Siah שׁת Luat
  thank God for He is also works in all of us... Praise God that the truth is Jesus made ONE SACRIFICE to CLEAR OUR SINS... Now we are made Righteous, should we say we are sinner? Saying or confessing the false thing like "we had sinned" is insulting Jesus... We are sometimes sin here and there, but it doesn't mean our STATUS change to Sinner... Example, If you drive a car doesn't mean you work as a Driver... We have our own "POSITION" but sometimes we made things that are not required in our "POSITION"... A king who confessed he is a common people is insulting himself, in as much as a common people who confess they are royal descendant is insulting the kingdom... What glory is there for a king claiming himself as a common people? It's funny if a king who wear a beautiful robe, crown, wear rings and told his people " i'm just a common man, i don't have enough money, i'm broke"
  
  The prove is Jesus made us King and Priest, where we have authority, power and dominion over the devil... It's truly a disgrace thing for us to say " we are a sinner " when God had made us righteous... Honestly, we don't have any right or legal way as a son of God to say " we are a sinner" or saying "confess our sin", in as much as a sinner also don't have any right or illegal for them to say " they must doing righteous to obtain righteousness"... Both acts are indeed "illegal"...
  September 5 at 5:40am · · 1 person
- Pang William Jesus said to disciples, "Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees." Mat 16:6 ... What does this one says to you?
  September 5 at 6:05am ·
- Byron Mill The leaven is hypocrisy, that is the pharisees thought they were righteous by their actions. They brought the law down to a standard where they could keep it. God's original purpose was to introduce the law to show man that he cannot keep it, it is faithful to strengthen sin if we try to keep it. So we are to trust completely in Jesus and His finished work for righteousness (right standing with God). To reintroduce the law into christianity is what Jesus called hypocrisy. Jesus plus anything to be right with God is hypocrisy.
  September 5 at 6:48am · · 1 person
- Byron Mill
  ‎@Kurmit
  
  Yes He has saved us from the inputation, guilt and condemnation of our sins, if Jesus died to stop us from sinning He failed. So if He died to save us from the punishment of sins, He has suceeded
  If we are in Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ JEsus has set us free from the law of sin and death, it means that in CHrist, when we sin we don't die or get sick becasue of God's judgement. God condemned our sins already on Christ so how can He punish sins twice?
  
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  Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin (leading) to death, or of obedience (leading) to righteousness?
  If you read in your bible in the words "leading" were actually added by the translators, they were not in the original letter of Paul, Paul was answering with doctrine, not instruction to do something. Obedience here mean to listen to attentively, obey as a subject.
  Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that though you were slaves of sin(prison), but you have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
  Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
  We were in a prison called sin, until we obeyed from the heart the doctrine - what doctrine, the good news about Jesus, that if we believe in Him we are forgiven and the righteousness of God. So once we believed from the heart God took us out of the prison called sin(noun) and enslaved us in the prison called righteousness.
  When we were sinners, no good thing we could do could make us righteous, the same way in Christ, nothing we can do can make us unrighteous. We are enslaved to condition called righteousness before God in Christ.
  2Co 5:21 For He(God our Father) has made him(JEsus) to be sin for us, who knew(commited or thought) no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
  Adam's one sin made us all sinners, the Last Adam(Jesus) one obedient act(Sacrifice) makes all who believe the righteousness of God in Him.
  If we have believed in Christ we have received the forgiveness of sins
  Jesus said - before the cross -
  Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
  Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.
  Once again the translators added "men" to verse 32 and distorted the message, Jesus was talking about the judgement of the worlds sin. Jesus was saying, if I be lifted up on the cross i will draw all judgement(punishment) to Myself.
  That means everybodies sin whether saved or unsaved, all of our punishment went on Jesus
  Its not that God just sweeps our sins under the carpet He has punished JEsus for all our sins, He had to do it righteously, now He is righteous in making the sinner righteous and giving him eternal life because Christ died for us. But once we are saved we are no longer sinners, we have received Jesus and we have eternal life.
  In 1 Peter 4:17 - do you notice it says obey the gospel (good news), we don't do good news, we believe it and like i said before obedience is to listen attentively to, to obey from the heart(believe)
  Obedience in the new covenant is obedience of faith. We believe what Jesus has done for us and bring every thought captive to His obedience at the cross, we don't bring every thought captive to the ten commandments.
  
  So we are to believe, all sin has been punished, we will never be punished for sins that Christ paid for if we believe in Jesus. God is too Holy cannot punish sins twice. Its called the rule of double jeapordy
  Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
  Here's a clear distinction between being in the Spirit and walking by the Spirit, if we are in CHrist, the Spirit of God lives in us and we are in the SPirit, then we can either walk by the flesh or walk by the SPirit.
  If our actions determine if we are right with God, why did Christ die?
  
  So if we have received Jesus we are in Him and He is in us. So that is so simple, abiding in Him simply means believe in Jesus.
  
  John 15:4 "Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
  John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
  John 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
  Notice it says here if anyone does not abide in me - that person is not in Christ - they are not a believer so they are not attached to the vine and THEY are cast into the fire.
  
  John 15:7 "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
  John 15:8 "By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
  John 15:9 "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.
  John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
  ...
  His commandments are believe on Him and love one ananother AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. So if you don't know how much Jesus loves you you can't love.
  
  1 John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in Him(believe), that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
  
  ...
  1 John 3:5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
  1 John 3:6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
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  If our sins are relative to the cross of Jesus, and God punished Jesus for our sins, do we still have them? since Jesus never commited sin yet He was punished for them, how can we still have them?
  Once again He died to th imputation of our sins, he never died to sinful actions and deeds, we are to likewise(in the same way) reckon ourselves dead to sin. So we are dead to the imputation and the guilt and condemnation of sin.
  There is now a law of the spirit of life in CHrist that has set us free from the law of sin and death. When we sin God does not hold it against us or punish us, becuase He has already punished our sins.
  
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  Rev 3:19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
  
  Jesus was speaking to a luke warm church who were mixing the two covenants of law and grace, Jesus said i would rather you were Hot OR cold, but BECAUSE you are luke warm, neither hot nor cold i will vomit yuo out of my mouth. So Mixing law and grace is not a covenant and He does not accept it, its either all what we do to get saved or He did it all for us.
  IF we are under the law completely(cold) it will drive us to desperation to lean on Jesus our saviour(hot)
  Jesus was rebuking them and telling them to repent (change their minds) that means turn away from this wrong thinking. And trust completely in Him
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  September 5 at 7:51am ·
- John P. Cwynar
  ‎@Byron, Pang & Lars: I have never seen anyone say so much to simply say the same thing over and over again. I would like to engage you as brothers, but it is obvious you don't have a clue as to how to do that. A brother listens to his brother and interacts with what the other says. You are so busy assuming what your brother is saying and building your straw house of radical grace out of peices of doctrine that you string together. Grace is more than a doctrine. It is a relationship. Learn how to be a brother. It's another great gift of our Father.
  September 5 at 8:40am ·
- Christina Ronly Kueh Amen.
  September 5 at 8:56am · · 1 person
- Lars Siah שׁת Luat
  I'm explaining the way people can understand the meaning of being righteous in a simple way... i apologised if i'm repeating myself more and more again. Yes, Grace is more than a doctrine, perhaps it can't be consider as a doctrine is Grace itself came by a person of Jesus Christ. Before we can understanf the relationship, it's better to understand the covenant that we have since people are tend to get confuse, either we are still righteous if we sinned or not. Jesus does explain about the relationship when he walked among the disciples (later in parables where He was constantly rejected by His fellow Jews), but even then the people are still not fully understand on what basis the foundation of the relationship with God is made... the only thng they can understand (for Jewish) is they are married to the Law and God his their master and they are his servant. They even don't have any idea of God is a Father, other than other terms that they familiar such as El Shaddai, Jehovah, Adonai and etc until Jesus Himself introduce God to them as Father. Although they are somewhat in the old covenant like the psalm of David describing God as a Father, but how many (the Jews) realised it? Yet they are still calling God as God.
  
  Paul was writting the Letter through the revelation from Jesus, he explained between the covenant more clearer, the gift that established in the new covenant and also how relationship between God and us ars made in the new covenant. Paul also explained on how grace is involved in the new covenant, where grace is manifested in the relationship compared to the old covenant. In the old covenant, it is hard to see the grace's manifestation because they were in the system of "deserving" (doing good in order to get bless) whereas in the new covenant, grace is more manifest when God the Father bless us because he is our Heavenly Father. Don't you think a father who love his child would bless his child according to the child's attitude or behaviour? Or a father who is rich, expressing his love towards the child by giving "present" more than the child need, in spite of the child's behaviour. Nonetheless, the child who mischievous would suddenly change his/her attitude completely when he/she sees the goodness of his/her father... Don't you think that God is "gracious"?
  September 5 at 11:30am · · 1 person
- Byron Mill Jesus loved us and gave Himself 4 us!
  September 5 at 11:34am ·
- Ryan Clegg I told you it is pointless to try to argue with them, John.
  September 5 at 12:18pm · · 1 person
- Byron Mill i just have more faith in my Saviour than mans doctrine....
  September 5 at 12:34pm ·
- Lars Siah שׁת Luat
  Let's not argue about this dear brethren... Whatever theology or believe that we have, there's one common thing that we agree: Jesus died to saves all of us... In spite of doctrines differences, denominations, if we have a common ground that Jesus is our Saviour, we all saves forever... Let not having a cold heart towards Jesus for He is the reason we all saves. Paul was written to the Corinthians to love the Lord and "anathema"for those who not love the Lord, because those who are not is make light of the Jesus' sacrifices. In Hebrew, the word "curse" is same as "make light". Corinthian was a "sinful" city: people commited promiscuousness, living in adultery, brother sueing brother and etc.
  
  Yet Paul reminding them that they are a temple of the Holy Spirit and to come back into that realization because he knew the "realization" will change the people's heart to "give weight" of Jesus' sacrifices and to love Him more....
  September 5 at 12:59pm ·
- John P. Cwynar Thank you my brother Ryan for the reminder. As I said, these men have no concept of a brotherly relationship in Christ. They seem to believe that if they just ignor what others are saying and keep repeating themselves using lots of words they will become true or perhaps win a prize on FB. Glad I met you here.
  September 5 at 1:57pm ·
- Pang William
  Dear John, Isn't it clear... it all began with you disagreed on my post: "If you are in Christ... there is no sin in you?" and you posted: Under Grace we still commit acts of sin... and to confess them. The difference is... I said there is no more sin, you said yes.
  
  And on the confession part... you and Ryan probably think we make a big deal out of it. It is a big deal to us for we believe there is no sin, what is there to confess? Then you might ask why stop other to confess? It is because we love you and we'd like you to know this truth... By your confession of sin, you brought back the law! Not you lose your salvation, Ryan.
  
  Dear brothers, am I correct to say we are still right on the topic? Or have I missed something? You said we don't listen... please tell us what have we not listened? I am listening... and please don't condemn us just because we don't think alike. Shalom!
  September 5 at 2:14pm ·
- Lars Siah שׁת Luat
  Yes brother John... we are not offended, yet we are glad if you can explain what you want to address in the first place. Please enlightened us for your understanding about brotherly relationship and your idea about sin and salvation...
  
  If you are saying we are ignorance about sin and make light of it, let's make it clear:
  
  If Prince Harry or Prince William sin (drunk, smoking etc) does it make them out of the Royal Blood line? Of course not... it's not their attitude or behaviour that cut off their position, just like when we sin, doesn't mean God had tocut off our relationship with Him..
  
  The brotherly relationship is based on receiving and accepting the Son who died for us, because The Son was given to us so that we can become God's son... Jesus lost that relationship when He was made sinned on the cross in exchange to give His Right of that relationship to us because our sin had been imparted to Him... If he cried in agony "my God my God why you had forsaken me" because of our sins, how come we are not shout in joy "my father my father, you'll never ever forsaken me"...
  
  We are not repeating ourselves for the sake of winning the prize on FB. If you still saying we are make light of sin by not confessing our sin, then shall we say you make light of Jesus' finished works and His sacrifices? What basis indicate that our sin is greater than Jesus' sacrifices?
  September 5 at 2:40pm · · 1 person
- Pang William Heb 10:16 "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." ... It is called the law of the Spirit, the law of faith, the law liberty, the law of Love, the law of Life... No more the old law of sin and death. Don't bring back the old!
  September 5 at 5:12pm ·
- Ryan Clegg
  Well, here is the thing pal, how can we be saved if we are indeed living under the law? In a practicality, you are saying that we are unsaved... not in so many words, because you dont want to "offend".
  I don't see confession as a "Law" thing. I haven't ever sacrificed an animal. I haven't ever burnt an offering. So, in my mind, I don't see how Confessing is Law.
  
  @Lars, I don't mean to be rude, but your point is invalid. We don't believe that God will forsake us. We don't believe that God will hate us. It is just, Jesus died for our sins. And when I sin, I feel like apologizing to Him, because He suffered for me. He loved me.
  
  @Pang, The first step to recovery is admittance. If I deny my sin, I will stay in it. Simple Truth.
  
  @Byron, you are a fairly arrogant person. We are all glad that you are impervious to ever believing the wrong thing.
  September 5 at 9:21pm ·
- Lars Siah שׁת Luat
  Dear brother Ryan... How come you said it's invalid? Did i said God is forsaking us? Like i said, Jesus was forsaken on the cross so we may be accepted... We are totally not forsaken by God. we are accepted as a son, as His children. It's a divine exchange. Same as prosperity, Jesus was made poor, so we might become rich in Him. In the Old Covenant before Christ was born, God forsake Israel for many years because they are sin against God... Many many years they lived in exile in the foreign land. It's by God mercy that they came back to their land...
  
  Yes, we wil sin again and again, but is it a need for us to confess it? Shall we say "Jesus, please forgive me because i had sin" then expect He to come again to be crucified? Or say "Thank you Lord Jesus for the shed blood that forgive all of our sin"? Is God doesn't know that we'll sin? For what purpose He send Jesus then? To clear our sin until we had a next, confess that sin the have forgiveness or he cleanse us all our sins (past present future)...
  
  Yes, we agreed that we offended God when we sin, perhaps everytime. But, when we say we had sin and apologized while Jesus had clear yours before you confess it, don't you thing it don't bring honour to His works? The Best way for us is to received the gift and stop be conscious of sin. Confess our sins every time we sinned, sooner or later will make us think that the sin is bigger that Jesus' sacrifices. It will make us living in a guilty realm as we are guilt for letting Jesus made the sacrifices for us. It will make us sin conscious. Thayer, a greek scholar define evil conscience as constantly conscious of sins, not as can't differenciate of can't detect sin anymore.
  
  Here's the thing. If we sinned, then we confess "Oh Lord, please forgive me for my unrighteousness. I had offended you for a sin that i had commited"... Don't you think that the bible said that Jesus's sacrifices for all our sins will be redundant? Then in Hebrew 10:9 that Jesus made sacrifes once and for all also will be redundant because His blood cover past present and future sins...
  
  If we apologised then, don't you think that it will make us think that Jesus' sacrifices is not for the future? Did God the Father stumbled on the throne when He see we had commited sin in the future? Is Jesus did'nt forseen the future and cant see the past of human history to shed His blood?
  September 5 at 10:16pm ·
- John P. Cwynar
  Relationship in Christ is about being in His Family with Him and His Father, and secondarily with one another. Jesus died victoriously to rescue us forever from our legal separation from God. That's why there is no condemnation and complete justification and sanctification in Christ. The legal contest has been forever won in Jesus. I am no longer in the court room and will never return there. Now I am forever in the family. Thank You Jesus!
  
  Being in the family there are things I, as a son, am told to do, not as a law to keep from being condemned, but simply out of love for my Father, my Brother, His Spirit. If I am to have a relationship with my brothers and sisters in the family, there are also things I 'must do' to foster and maintain those relationships.
  
  Confession is a part of being in the family. There are things I confess to my Father, not to be forgiven or out of fear of being condemned, but because I love Him. In this beautiful exchange, my Father is able to assure me of His faithfulness in His once for all forgiveness and cleansing at the cross. It clears my heart and mind of the matter, so that I don't become deceived. If I am being pompous & arrogant or offensive with my brothers and sisters, I have a responsibility to confess 'one to another' to foster unity. This again is a familial matter, not one of condemnation.
  September 5 at 10:41pm ·
- Ryan Clegg It is invalid Lars, because we never claimed that God would forsake us, like you have made it seem we have.
  September 5 at 11:02pm ·
- Pang William
  Rom 8:10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
  
  Are you of the Spirit or are you still of the flesh? If you are in Christ, then you must be of the Spirit. Then you cannot sin because the Spirit cannot sin, then why do you still see sin in you? It is the same saying... We are in the world but not of the world! We are in the flesh but not of the flesh!
  September 5 at 11:40pm ·
- John P. Cwynar
  So, Pang, suppose I call my brother (certainly not you or Lars or Byron) 'a pompous ass' for the way they interact on FB. And suppose my brother is offended by my words. Do I have a responsibility in my relationship with my brother to apologize or make it 'right?' Or do I just say that because I am in Christ that offenses do not exist. Or suppose I say or do something that actually injures a brother. Do I contend that I am in Christ and can do no harm. Confession is a normal part of our familial relationships is Christ and it is everywhere present in the NT text.
  September 6 at 12:12am ·
- Ryan Clegg So there is no such thing as sin. No matter what I do, there is no sin and it doesn't matter.
  
  Gotcha
  September 6 at 2:03am ·
- Lars Siah שׁת Luat Yes... You are truly right... It doesn't change the fact you are the righteous of God.... But truly truly i ask you... For God sake and Jesus' sake, would you sin when you know you are truly forgiven? Let not bring ashamed to the one who gave this gift.
  September 6 at 2:09am ·
- Lars Siah שׁת Luat that's what Paul meant in his letter towards the Roman. Where sin abounded Grace abounded much more... it's not "shall we sinned so Grace may abounded" not to have an idea to sin purposely. But if we failed, there is Grace that abound for us
  September 6 at 2:25am ·
- Ryan Clegg so it is cool to keep on sinning. I see.
  
  Gotcha
  September 6 at 2:25am ·
- John P. Cwynar
  Lars, the sad thing is that you and your friends are so stuck in the courtroom of God, that you have no idea about how to be a brother and interact in / with the Family, brother to brother. The courtroom ended when Jesus said: "It is Finished!" People still in the courtroom have to build their case and prove they are right. By your behavior you are undermining the very things you say you believe. Brothers are able to just share what is in their hearts, without having to prove the other is wrong. In humility we are to prefer one another.
  September 6 at 2:26am ·
- Ryan Clegg
  If there is no sin, Lars, how can I sin?
  
  I can't. If it is ok to do anything that I want, then there is no such thing as sin.
  
  So theoretically, I can do whatever I like and it is not sin. And how would sinning (which doesn't exsit) bring shame to God?
  September 6 at 2:28am ·
- Lars Siah שׁת Luat
  If you got me, then Paul also got you here. Romans 6
  
  1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
  
  2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
  
  5If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.
  
  8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
  
  11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness.
  
  14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.
  
  What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
  
  16Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
  
  19I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. 20When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[b] Christ Jesus our Lord.
  September 6 at 2:35am ·
- John P. Cwynar Ok, Ryan...Lars gets to PA award, hands down.
  September 6 at 2:40am ·
- Lars Siah שׁת Luat ok ok... I will leave this page... I don't want to create sparks here and there... Peace... No offense brother...
  September 6 at 2:42am ·
- Pang William
  Dear John, Ryan, Lars, Byron and whoever is reading now, I'm not sure what I'm gonna say make sense to you but I try... It is my testimony... but again I really believe we need the Holy Spirit here.
  
  How we think determines how we responded and our acts following. It is how we perceive in our hearts. It is more than just a head knowledge. It is not by formulas, methods, steps or whatsoever but by revelation through the Holy Spirit.
  
  For me it all started from the phrase "In Christ" and I know it has to be more than that and the hunger in me drove me deeper and deeper into Him. He said to truly know what is "In Christ" is to see you and Christ as One! Another time I asked... How to walk in the Spirit? He said... see yourself as Christ sees you. Again I asked how can I truly say "As He is so am I in this world"? Again, He said... see it in your heart. Then I realized it is all about how we see it as according to His words. By doing so, I lined up with the Spirit and flow as one. My faith abounded, His blessings and favors super abounded. Things that didn't make sense now make sense to me.
  
  Of cause none of us are really there... so was Apostle Paul. We still far from it. In the case of your question, of cause I will sincerely apologize to the brother whom I have offended and more I will seek his forgiveness to make things right. Even so I will say sorry to my loving Father knowing it is a wrong I did. And at the same time I will thank Him for the precious blood of Jesus Christ that had cleansed me as white as snow. And get back in line with the Holy Spirit. My point is not... not to apologize but not to stay in the realm of sin to allow condemnation to come in.
  
  I sincerely hope that all will turn out well... for we are all here to learn something and not to condemn each other. Let me be the first to say sorry and please forgive me if I have offended anyone of you. Because we are in Christ, we have the Christ like character in us to forgive and to love. Please reconcile and I love you all. Amen.
  September 6 at 4:32am · · 1 person
- John P. Cwynar Thank you, Pang, for your confession which you have made before your Father and to your brothers. No one condems you or thinks less of you. No one wants to dwell on any wrongs that may or may not have been committed. It is the way of putting things behind us and moving on to what lies before us. It is what promotes unity in the family / body. I look forward to continued fellowship with you.
  September 6 at 5:33am ·
- Ryan Clegg Check out this article: http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/oursins.htm
  September 6 at 2:23pm ·
- Pang William Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Amen!
  September 8 at 4:53am ·