Tuesday, September 7, 2010

Right question, Wrong answer

This is hilarious... much of the posts here has no connection to the topic. The topic was: When we do something... are we helping God? And if we don't do anything... are we letting God? Somehow it detoured to law and grace. Strange!

Pang William When we do something... are we helping God? And if we don't do anything... are we letting God?
September 3 at 3:31am · ·
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    • Brian Chan The Lord does His all for us. We make the plans. But He carries them out.

      Even more so, He also Perfects them. :)
      September 3 at 3:36am · · 3 people
    • Chris O
      When we read MANY instances in the Scriptures where the Lord God speaks and says "If you will/will not...."
      (Like Exodus 19:5, Leviticus 26:14 & 18, 1 Samuel 12:14, Jeremiah 26:4) we can clearly see that God has His righteous requirements of us in which obedience to what He has spoken is demanded. And then He always follows that saying with an assurance and faithful declaration of intent on His part as the immutable God Who cannot lie, by saying "I (God) will....".
      Now the thing to note is that WE are to do that/those things which He has spoken and told us to do or to observe to do. There is a necessary element to faith, which is the believing and trusting in what He has revealed to our knowledge, by walking in obedience to His declared truth.

      Then there is the element of simply trusting in Him to do what He has said He will do. A covenant requires two persons to be in agreement, and if we break or do not fulfil the terms of the covenant, we should ask ourselves if God is bound to keep His own end of the agreement.
      He is faithful though we be faithless. He cannot deny Himself.

      Nevertheless, He is not obligated to you and I, for He is absolutely Sovereign and does whatever He pleases.
      When we truly believe God the result of our faith is obedience to His good will. And a peace and restful assurance in His character and Person to perform His word will also be found in such a faithful servant and child of the Lord.
      We don't let go so far as to be so resigned to God in a non-chalant and passive receiving of His word. No.
      We let go by obediently trusting Him to do all that He says, which includes our doing all that HE HAS ALREADY said we we should do.
      September 3 at 3:58am ·
    • Edwin Morales Q. Our part?A. To Believe
      September 3 at 4:45am · · 3 people
    • Pang William Chris, I don't see the connection between my topic and your post. What you said about obey Him and in obedience are all of the Old Covenant but we are now in the New Covenant... our obedience is in Christ Jesus no more our own effort to keep the law. Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
      September 3 at 5:15am ·
    • Pang William Dear Brian, thanks for your post... but I wonder is there any Scripture to support you claim that we make the plans and He carries them out?
      September 3 at 5:19am ·
    • Chris O Christ obeyed; does that mean that He has fulfilled all obedience and we are not to also obey God?
      September 3 at 5:27am ·
    • Alejandro Grace Ararat GOD does not ow nobody, nobody,nobody nothing [not a thing] Alejandro grace
      September 3 at 6:51am · · 1 person
    • Breck Rubin John 15:5-Jesus said, Apart from ME you can do nothing. So anything we do on our own, Jesus considers nothing. If we could do anything without Him, why not start with salvation. SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE ON OUR OWN!!!
      September 3 at 8:19am · · 4 people
    • Sharon Fryer Diddo to Edwins post... John 6:27-29( In short) STOP TOILING...v28 The disciples ASKED JESUS, what are WE TO DO to carry out what God requires? v29 JESUS SAID: This is what God asks of you TO carry out WHAT HE REQUIRES. "TO BELIEVE ON THE ONE HE HAS SENT." ampl. bible. "to cleave to, trust, rely on, and HAVE FAITH IN HIS MESSENGER." Yes, to HAVE FAITH IN GOD'S WORD, JESUS!!! :-) LOVE THE WORD!!! :-)
      September 3 at 9:25am · · 2 people
    • Pang William
      Dear Chris, it is good that you asked because we all have asked this same question before. It is like asking since God gave us Grace, shall we take advantage of His Grace, His love for us and go out and sin more? Since Christ is our obedience to God, shall we not be obedient also? Of cause not!

      Because God knows we men cannot keep the law and by the law is the knowledge of sin (Rom 3:20) and the result of sin is death (Rom 6:23). But He loves us so and the only way to save us is in Christ through the cross. Now we believed, we become the righteousness of God in Christ, we no longer live by the law but by His Grace of love... His love in us is the driving force not our will power. If you love your neighbors, not only you won't steal from them, you'll give to them. If you love your wife, not only you won't cheat on her, but you'll give your life for her... But if you failed, the blood of Christ still cleanses you and God said... "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more" Heb 10:17. Love is the fulfillment of the law. (Gal 5:14) Shalom.
      September 3 at 12:38pm ·
    • Pang William Jeff Pate אֵת posted in his status: We don't become dead to the law to become lawless, but so we can be married to Jesus who was raised from the dead in order to bear the fruit of the Spirit: You shall be loved; you shall have peace; you shall have joy; you shall have health; you shall be prosperous; you shall have kindness; you shall be in control; you shall have patience...
      September 3 at 12:45pm · · 1 person
    • Sandy Crosby ‎...Well we cant help God! Its not us, its Him. As we behold His glory we are changed into the same image. he fashions us & works in us.
      When we do something, it is God busy @work, we are His workmanship.
      September 3 at 1:24pm · · 1 person
    • Chris O
      The Lord God be praised.
      It is God that worketh in His to will and TO DO for His good pleasure.
      And to him that believeth on God, it shall be accounted to him as righteousness - yet however there MUST be a doing of good works in obedience to God. I always agree with simply stating the truth just as God Himself hath declared it to be in His word. Because you see, in James 2:19 we read that simple resigned belief is not enough. Our belief must result in something, our faith must be alive and not dead. The love of God must be so shed abroad in our hearts to permeate and pervade our entire being, and this same love will promulgate and propel and propagate the Christian witness and in keeping His commandments (John 14:15). God is busy at work in His children, and His children are busy doing His work.
      It is God that worketh in them to will and to do, and His children are willing to do all that He has already declared to them in His commandments.
      His children are His children because they are born of His only begotten Son and have received His Spirit, and consequently, they will act and behave and think JUST LIKE JESUS CHRIST.
      He's finished the work of redemption. And there is an ongoing work of the sanctification of the individual in salvation, and as Christ said in His prayer to the Father for His sheep: "Sanctify them by Thy truth. Thy word is truth."
      Truth to be truly discovered must first be obeyed.
      No man ever found something to be true and sat cool and resigned to just passive interest and morbid belief; the truth compels him to act upon what he has found and believed to be true.
      And this is taught EVERYWHERE in the Scriptures.

      Now the simple thing I would like to say in agreement with the Scriptures, is that the law is just and holy and good. But no man is to ever seek or look to keep the law and believe that it is primarily in his doing this that he shall be saved.
      The child of God delights in the law of God because it is of God Himself. He/she does not despise nor slight the law of God; but he/she does not put hope and confidence in the law as being the his/her salvation:
      YET we KNOW that the same word says to us that we are to receive with meekness the engrafted WORD which is able to save our souls (James 1:21).
      There must be a right division of godly truth, and it is found in "here a little, there a little, line upon line, precept upon precept". This is the method of the Holy Ghost in instructing us in the word which He Authored Himself.

      We do not trust in the law to be our salvation, but we are to be so identified with Christ in spirit that we behave and do the things which He did, for His life is in us. And always, He did the things which pleased the Father, which were always consistent with the law He came to fulfill and fulfilled.
      We must always remember that we do not know what God's will is apart from His written law, and His indwelling Spirit ALWAYS leads His children in accordance to His law, when they obey the inward leading and the declared written word. This is the grace and truth which Christ brought us. His life to be imbued with power from on high to DO all that He did and to BE all that He is, for He is our grace to walk in His truth.
      September 3 at 4:36pm ·
    • Mark Boyce Uh-uh.
      September 3 at 5:24pm · · 1 person
    • Mark Boyce
      There is no God "thing" and then a Christian "thing for God" going on. Christ in us the the "thing" that is going on. Yes, Jesus went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed of the devil. I tell you what, the "doing good" that Jesus did wasn't this "soup kitchen" Christianity we see today. His doing good was just that - healing the sick and all who were oppressed by the devil. Now, if anyone thinks some kind of a rule keeping system - of any kind - is going to produce that, that they can do that in their bleeding heart performances, they are wrong. If we think we are rightly dividing the Word, than we must understand what was before the Cross (who Jesus said it to, where he said it, and why Jesus said it), and what IS after the Cross - and that includes this commandment mentality. The Book of James simply does not have the revelation of grace that Paul had. James wrote that to the Jews because he was concerned about them losing their "Jewishness" among all those Gentiles coming into the flock. That's why Peter got dogged out by the "group of the circumcision" that came from James. Paul had to confront Peter - in front of everybody.
      September 3 at 5:41pm · · 2 people
    • Chris O Okay Mark.
      Why don't we rewrite the Bible and leave out the book of James while we at it then? Clearly you don't believe in the all-sufficiency and eternality of the word of God as being His sovereign will for all peoples of all times.
      September 3 at 6:07pm ·
    • Lynette Erasmus The most important thing is to do what He tell us to do....Whatsover He tell you to do...DO IT. Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God. ~shalom~
      September 3 at 6:49pm ·
    • Mark Boyce
      The Bible is a book for "do's" and "dont's." It is for expounding on Jesus and the purpose that God always had in the sacrifice of His only begotten Son, who was slain BEFORE the foundation of the world, before there ever was Law. God's sovereign will is His Son, not the ten commandments or any other rule keeping system devised by men. It means little to me when someone who preaches the law tells me what I believe, or don't believe. If you want to live by the letter, be my guest. Nothing is more sound or logical than having faith in Christ and His FINISHED work on the cross. The devil always points you to YOU and uses the law to do it. True Christian ministry will always point a person to Christ and who we are in Him. Yes, the Law is majestic, good, unyielding, and unbending. Only Grace can keep the law. Men can not. Mt. Sinai proved that. Therefore, I refuse your condemnation.
      September 3 at 7:22pm · · 2 people
    • Mark Boyce So, did God send the Spirit of His Son, the Holy Spirit into our hearts crying out, "Father, Abba!" just so we could keep a different set of rules to live by? If that is the case, why was Divine Blood shed? Who needs it if the NEW Covenant is just another rule keeping and good works of the flesh system that many think we inherited?
      September 3 at 7:25pm · · 2 people
    • Chris O
      That's a good speech Mark.

      It is clear what the Bible does say and does not say. And I believe that in all that was said, I made no appeal to practicing law-keeping religion as a fatally deadly man made concept. I hate religion. I abhor and detest any sort of preaching that seeks to be justified by the law.

      I simply stated that we must state it exactly like God has already stated it in His word and not create reasons or excuses to revamp or rephrase or reword the holy Scriptures to convey the message of an already declared Word.
      Preach the word, just as it is simply declared to us. Let's not form a "new" gospel and call it the gospel of grace. There is already a gospel message and I am unashamed of this gospel.

      And like dear Lynette said:
      "The most important thing is to do what He tell us to do....Whatsover He tell you to do...DO IT. Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God." This is the conclusion of the matter.
      Fear God and keep His commandments.
      September 3 at 7:36pm ·
    • Nthabi May Which commandments Chris, I know there are Moses 's and The ones God said he will write in our hearts. I know that the Moses's one were never kept hence Christ came to save us from our sins known to us by commandments. I know that is easy to say keep His commandments but who gets to do it right? Isnt that the good news is that He will write them in our hearts, now that Christ came.
      September 3 at 8:52pm ·
    • Chris O
      The goodnews is that there is mercy from the terrible wrath of God (Who desires to reconcile His enemies to Himself) and full and free salvation for repentant and believing sinners to be received in Jesus Christ.

      There aren't two different or separate commandments dear Nthabi (one of Moses and another of Christ). There is one God and one word and one Spirit and one Christ and one commandment. The commandment is not to be seen as the cause of sin, it is because of sin that the commandment was given, and sin was all the more destructive in us because men sought to trust in the commandment to be justified before a holy and just God. But if anyone can show where in the Scriptures we are taught that the obedience of Christ is so sufficient that we do not need to obey the commandment of God or of Christ anymore, then I will fall perfectly silent.
      The commandment is summed up in love, as Pang earlier pointed us to Galatians 5:14, and there is the entire gamut of the commandment which are not to be ignored or neglected, but we are to be obedient children of God. For Christ Himself did not request or ask or plead when He said "If you love Me, keep My commandments". He spoke that word as a commandment. The law is written in the hearts of those who yield to God and to His will in submissive obedience (as Christ Jesus Himself demonstrated to us in the perfect example of His earthly life) to the inward leading of His Spirit Who is our Helper and to His inspired word which is written for us.
      The Spirit and His word are one and in perfect accord and agreement always, just as Jesus Himself is the Word of God. Christ didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill the law.
      Just so we don't make it sound like Christ has obeyed and we aren't required by God to also obey His word.

      I know I sound like I am preaching obedience to the law, but I implore you not to misunderstand me here.
      That is not what I am saying.
      I am saying that we are to obey GOD.
      I am saying that we are to obey JESUS CHRIST.
      I am saying that we are to obey the HOLY GHOST.
      And God has spoken His commandments and demands that His children keep His word.
      And unless we do not agree with Him in His declared word, then we are to obey Him in all what He has spoken to us.

      If by His grace we can simply stick as close to all what the Lord God says and preach in total accord with ALL (even where it sounds & seems contradictory) He has declared and leave the consequences to Him, we wouldn't have to even be having this sort of discussion amongst ourselves.
      September 3 at 9:21pm ·
    • Pang William
      Wow... looks like my topic isn't of much interest here :)) cos someone is more interested in the law... Beloved, I long given up on such argument cos with the veil on... none can see the truth?

      2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

      2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. ... Let's hope we see miracle here!! Hallelujah!!
      September 3 at 9:24pm · · 1 person
    • Chris O
      Dear Pang, I am interested in Jesus Christ and in all that He is interested in.
      And He is interested the will of the Father and in His sheep and their welfare. Jesus Christ NEVER preached or gave the impression in His preaching that one could infer being freed from living in obedience to the word of God.
      He never did that.
      He never ever did that.
      There were people who DID do that in those days though. They were known as Nicolaitans (you may look them up) and we know how Christ felt toward them and their teachings and deeds as He expressed in Revelation 2:6 & 15. His imputed righteousness to believers does not mean that His obedience has also been imputed to us.
      We also must walk in truth.
      This He taught and this is why He sent us the Spirit to help us.
      Let's not speak slightingly of the law of God. And let's not undermine the message of obedience to God as Christ taught and His apostles taught and the Spirit has ALWAYS taught.

      This is my major concern here dear Pang.
      September 3 at 9:36pm ·
    • Nthabi May
      I know that Christ is the SAVIOUR. Flesh gives birth to flesh and Spirit gives birth to Spirit. I am born of God. My life going forward is by the grace of God. If my eyes and my efforts will be to obey God everyday, then I know myself I will not make it. But I heared a teaching that said that God did not send his Son Jesus INTO the world to condemn the world but to save the world through Him. Without Christ we cannot be obedient because if you can, you really do not need Him. I personally believe that Jesus died for me and his death and his ressurrection brings life to me. I cannot be reffered to what I must do, but what Christ has done for me. I do not even know why Obedience should be an issue. Christ did something for us. When we stop talking about Him and look at ourselves, nobody will leave a better abundant life because today we leave by the promise and not the standards or motivations.
      September 3 at 9:47pm · · 2 people
    • Chris O
      Exactly dear Nthabi. This is what I've been saying.

      AND that you should ask yourself "Now that I'm saved,if I don't obey God, what happens to me?"

      Does the Scripture answer this for us?
      And what does it say?

      Salvation is by GRACE alone through FAITH alone, we have no real hand in our salvation. And yet, our faith is to be living by obedience, is it not?

      Please don't think I am in disagreement with all what God's word says. I simply prefer that we say it like it is, which will entail that we know it like it was and preach it like it was.

      Because Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
      September 3 at 9:54pm ·
    • Sandy Crosby Oh Dear Chris, The new Coveneant talks about the obedience of faith.
      September 3 at 9:57pm ·
    • Nthabi May
      My problem is when you or anybody will want me to be obedient, I cannot by myself, so let obedience not be an issue or the center of the message but let Christ be. Because what He has done for me, surpasses. I cannot be saying be obedient, be obedient while I cannot be obedient myself on my own, OR CAN YOU BE OBEDIENT?. It is Christ who enables us.lET US TELL PEOPLE THAT IT IS cHRIST WHO ENABLES US. If I am not obedient ask Christ what is wrong for He lives in me. If you say I must be obedient everyday, you reveal my weaknesses, I have a problem with that. I do not beieve in do your part for God to do His part, NO NO, i believe in the finished work of Christ. What Christ did for me is huge, and great and cannot be compared to my part. God is too big to be waIting for my part. I need to look unto Jesus. People must point me to Jesus. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
      September 3 at 10:04pm · · 1 person
    • Nthabi May Yes Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. The timing of scriptures I do not think so. What God said to Moses, He is not saying to me like he did then. There is an Old Obsolete Covenant established at Mount ... and the New Covenant established at mount Zion,- this one Christ is revealed. Jesus remains the SAVIOUR and Him only.
      September 3 at 10:08pm · · 1 person
    • Chris O
      Amen. God bless you dear Sandy.

      Okay dear Nthabi.
      Jesus is Savior and Lord, and for us to point men to the Savior we also point them to His Lordship inevitably. We cannot separate Him into two, or delay the preaching of Christ the Lord until the heart is ready to accept that. From the moment Christ calls a man to repentance and the man complies to that call-- is that not obedience?
      But I do understand you and I do not center the gospel of Christ on obedience but on CHRIST. I just say "don't leave out what He did not"

      So, again, we say that certain parts of the Scriptures are for another people of another time and another place. But we will claim for ourselves the promises made to them at that time, and refuse other more demanding words spoken to the same people.

      Why do we do this?
      September 3 at 10:12pm ·
    • Sandy Crosby
      Chriso please dont write 22 chapters for us to read. You said that we are saved by Jesus' finished work in one sentence, then in the same sentence you imply that God has to still save us.
      you said:"He's finished the work of redemption. And there is an ongoing work of the sanctification of the individual in salvation". BIP!!! WRONG!!!



      Jesus said Father sanctify them by thy word. we are born again by THY word the incorruptible word, the SEED. Thats all Jesus was saying, Mr confusion! Sorry i get tired of the same old professors, proud teachers waffling on. Jesus wants you to humble yourself, and concider how did you become a christian? By the flesh or by the Spirit? As ye have recieved Christ Jesus , so continue...in faith alone in the cross. Only to the cross alone I cling. Nothing else I bring. Obedience is a fruit.
      September 3 at 10:14pm · · 1 person
    • Nthabi May
      Maybe we need to ask the Holy spirit to reveal scriptures to us. I know that when God gave Israel his laws my people were not part of those people.(Am an African of South Africa, one of the 11 nations in South Africa) We lived a long time without God on earth but when Christ came I was included in the New covenant established on better promises. So I know what Christ has done for me, and what He saved me from. Let me be pointed to Christ. Moses was the carrier of the Law, He could not enter the promised land because He did not represent God well before the people. We can say to one another be obedient, people will leave trying to be obedient and fail to know what Christ has done for them Jesus is the center of our messages at churches, homecells, conferences otherwise, some of us are pushed out.If Jesus is not lifted up, I am out.
      September 3 at 10:20pm · · 2 people
    • Nthabi May Obedience is the fruit, can i say it again it sounds good, obedience is the fruit. No fruit ripe overnite. Tell about Christ, and see fruit obedience ripe beyong description. Tell me to be obedient and see me live unproductive life with no fruit.
      September 3 at 10:24pm · · 2 people
    • Sandy Crosby
      Chriso, are you a 7th day Adventist? the reason I ask is when I first got saved I was amased at the Glorious reality of being saved. Of being plunged to victory by the blood of Jesus and passing from death to life. I was so filled with the love OF God, that I couldn't help but have love for God. I was filled with peace that passes understanding, not as the world gives it was amasing, the Joy unspeakable, the knowing - the witness in the spirit that I was in the beloved. ...
      Then this 7th day adventist robbed me and ''Troubled me" by not rejoicing with me, but instead he insisted that 'Obedience is the key'. He could not rejoice that I had indeed found salvation. He was so worried for me, l & not at all in the truth, or in grace, & them that were entering in he hindered.The Lord led me to Gal. 1:6-9 &*6:14. Glory in the cross alone not in the flesh!
      September 3 at 10:31pm ·
    • Nthabi May Obedience will never be the key, Jesus is the key.
      September 3 at 10:38pm · · 2 people
    • Sandy Crosby
      Joseph Prince said that when the Bible speaks of obedience of faith, its not obedience of law. There is a big difference.
      The law verses Grace; Works verses Faith; Flesh verses Spirit!
      Finally, a couple of scriptures for ChrisO: "They that are in the flesh cannot please God" & "That no flesh should glory in His presence".Rom.8:8 & 1Cor.1:30,31.
      September 3 at 10:52pm · · 2 people
    • Sandy Crosby Jesus is the key! amen thats what i told him Nthabi, The Holy Spirit magnifys Jesus, nothing else is the key. Its not about us.
      September 3 at 10:55pm · · 2 people
    • Nthabi May Joseph Prince is launching Local Church Initiative as from JPM website. He wants churches to connect. I am afraid, pastors that like condemnation and refuse to hear that Christ came to save people, will lose members. Salvation comes from God and people belong to God. USA is going to be shaken.
      September 3 at 11:11pm · · 3 people
    • Sandy Crosby MMmnnnn!
      September 3 at 11:12pm · · 1 person
    • Chris O
      Ah.

      This is amazing to see.

      Children who do not want to hear or be told that God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit demand obedience of them.
      Remarkable indeed.

      Well, God is glorified, so I can delight in that.
      The Lord bless u all.

      It may surprise you but I do preach the eternal condemnation mentioned in the bible which Christ shall come to execute judgment with ten thousand of His saints. And it may also surprise you to know that I am born and raised in Nigeria. And no, I'm not a 7th day adventist. I'm simply a bondservant of Christ. It's sounding like someone may speak an insulting word against me, so i'll stop here before someone who knows to do good and does not do it sins.

      Thank God that He alone is true and none can refute Him.
      September 4 at 12:35am ·
    • Mark Boyce The law is the law. Grace is grace. The two do not mix. Mmmnnnn!
      September 4 at 1:00am · · 2 people
    • Sandy Crosby
      ChrisO, you need to obey the Holy Spirit, and repent and return to grace, from which you have fallen my friend. I say this because you are unwhittingly mixing spirit & flesh. God will reveal to you if you humble yourself, dont get your back up. God gives GRACE to the humble.
      The O/T was about us "Do Do Do" the N/T is not about us do do do but about what God has done when Jesus said it is done it is finished. He did it all, now
      our faith is obedience. you will work it out:)
      September 4 at 1:09am · · 1 person
    • Nthabi May Let us tell about Jesus, He is important and worthy. Life comes through Him. Light has come through Him in the world. Christ and His work is critical. He did what no man can do. Jesus is Jesus. Phillip said to Nathnael come we have found the one that Moses wrote about in the law, the one that the prophets talked about Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.John1 v45 there about. Jesus, Jesus. I mean Jesus the free gift of God.
      September 4 at 1:16am · · 1 person
    • Nthabi May Preachie preachie without Jesus is what? . Is people stand up in the middle of the speech and go home.
      September 4 at 1:18am ·
    • Sandy Crosby DO NOT FRUSTRATE THE GRACE OF GOD! Jesus has done alot for us to have this amasing grace, but you will make it of no effect with your demands of us* pleasing God in the flesh. you are falling from grace.
      * Rom.8:8
      September 4 at 1:22am ·
    • Mark Boyce I've done that - stood up and went home during this kind of death preaching that misrepresents Christ Jesus - and I did it very recently. There was a mixture of emotions in me - anger, sadness, and hunger. I prayed in the Spirit and the anger and sadness subsided. Then I went to McDonald's and that took care of the rest of it. Adios.
      September 4 at 1:31am · · 1 person
    • Sandy Crosby Yes I did also about 6 mnths ago.
      September 4 at 1:34am · · 1 person
    • Sandy Crosby I heard the deacon saying he was going to be preaching on something you dont hear enough about, that Jesus is going to judge us! I didnt wait but i stood up and said said thank God we are under grace and left. earlier, @ the bible study@ his home cell midweek meeting, I was instructing him gently as I was new, and after all it was his home I was in. Even his wife dissagreed with him and told him to chill out. There were mixed feelings there, some were sure of Grace, i was so glad.
      September 4 at 1:40am ·
    • Sandy Crosby
      God hates spiritual adultery, dont flirt with the LAW. & WORKS.
      You are FRUSTRATING THE GRACE OF GOD It is finished, rest in that, and do not be moved away from Grace alone, & who count t...he blood of the covenant as not enough!
      September 4 at 1:43am · · 1 person
    • Sandy Crosby ps. Phil 3:3 & rom. 8:8 & 1 Cor 1:31 all go 2gether!
      September 4 at 2:13am ·
    • Mark Boyce This is all Pang's fault. Ha! Ha! Or do ya do a LOL thingy?
      September 4 at 2:34am · · 2 people
    • Sandy Crosby last comment I will modify my last one ok...
      Rom.8:8 & Phil. 3:3 & 1Cor. 1:31 all refer to trying to please God in the flesh by works & law. But we are under Grace, faith & Spirit!
      September 4 at 2:42am ·
    • Pang William Ya Mark, my fault... and see my topic is still hanging! :O)
      September 4 at 4:25am ·
    • Pang William
      Sandy, I support your posts!... You're speaking Life here!

      Rom 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

      Php 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

      1Co 1:29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God — and righteousness and sanctification and redemption — 31 that, as it is written, "HE WHO GLORIES, LET HIM GLORY IN THE LORD."
      September 4 at 4:26am ·
    • Pang William Nthabi, you're are awesome and Jesus is glorified in you. Lets us continue to life up Jesus! Hallelujah!!
      September 4 at 4:27am ·
    • Pang William
      Dear Chris, we love you and I know you love us also because we are of that One same Spirit. Please understand that we are not here to condemn you but the forces behind... the spirit of the world. What you said to us is nothing new because that has been preached for the past two thousand years... "Yes, Jesus saved BUT...", because of the BUT you're different from us.

      Chris, shall we do this one thing together... Shall we all humble ourselves and seek the Holy Spirit on this truth? I'm sure there are plenty we can learn still... Right? Mark, Sandy and Nthabi... shall we?
      September 4 at 4:49am ·
    • Sandy Crosby Any teaching that pushes aside the finished work of Christ is operating under the spirit of anti-Christ,AS in Gal1;8-9 & 4;19 Paul said:"let him be accursed" unless you repents, which, nevertheless, I am confident that you will :)
      September 4 at 5:10pm · · 1 person
    • Sandy Crosby
      Q: 'WAS ABRAHAM UNDER THE 10 COMMANDMENTS'?! ..A:'NO'!
      We are not under the old Covenant now...WE are under grace, and the "Law of Liberty". They come in" to spy out our liberty we have in Christ in order to bring us back into BONDAGE!"-Gal.2:4; & "All things are lawful for me."!!! 1Cor6:12 & 10:23!!
      If you have an enormous lake of truth and if you mix a pint of poison in with it, you will spoil the whole batch, and kill all the fish therein! Dont mix law in with Grace, we have Liberty in Christ. Stay FREEeeeeee!
      September 4 at 5:11pm · · 1 person
    • Pang William Jesus said to disciples, "Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees." Mat 16:6 ... What does this one says to you?
      September 5 at 6:06am ·
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